Topic: XJ/Dana 30 ABS Tone Ring Replacement (Read 10735 times)

Ezz · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2015, 04:32:49 AM »

Are you in Nottingham?
I'm sure I could swing by and get it off..

bigjeepzj · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2015, 09:07:20 AM »

yes he is
Bryn I'v got a 3/4 inch tomy bar that your could borrow if Ezz can't help

JamesH · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2015, 03:06:48 PM »

I just don't have any time otherwise I'd come up. If you are still struggling after the weekend I might get a chance to get over to help.

Delk · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2015, 03:31:58 PM »

Quote from: wildwood on November 17, 2015, 03:59:10 PM

Difference is ...one day about 10 years ago in a moment of madness I bought a Snap On breaker bar.......£££££ spendy £80 but has never broken.....and if it did tis guaranteed for life so just hail the Snap On man in the van and he'll give you a new one......

Most of my tools for traveling are all snap on. Big money but they last. I managed to bend my breaker bar once. It took a very long pole and two fat guys standing on it. I was surprised the end didn't break off and was happy when they replaced it for free.

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2015, 04:51:58 PM »

Right, I've had some progress... I called up the National Tire place around the corner, and after reassembling and sneaking around there in the XJ, they got it off with air tools in no time and didn't want any money for it!

The problem now is that I can't remove the three 13mm bolts holding the hub on. I applied force to one of them and managed to snap the bolt in the middle.

I really appreciate all of the offers to help, and would still really appreciate any help I can get for the rest of the hub removal, as I really can't seem to budge these 13mm bolts, and don't quite know what to do now that one has snapped

wildwood · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2015, 04:58:37 PM »

If you really eff it up I have the parts that swivel and that the hub bolts into..... I have both sides.

The swivel hub things......can't think of the correct name, been spending the afternoon inhaling cellulose thinners, not intentionally you understand

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2015, 05:12:53 PM »

Cheers for that Jez, although fingers crossed I won't manage to ruin those too!

bigjeepzj · « **Reply #32 on:** November 18, 2015, 06:33:49 PM »

Jez the swivel things are called knuckles

how much thinner where you drinking it.
Can help sort thr hub of you need Bryn

bigjeepzj · « **Reply #33 on:** November 18, 2015, 06:37:23 PM »

When the hub bolts are out you may need to give a bit of persuasion with a big hammer to get it out of the knuckle

JamesH · « **Reply #34 on:** November 18, 2015, 10:31:50 PM »

Taking these apart for the first time is a bastard Bryn so don't think you are doing anything wrong. Once they have been disassembled and rebuilt with loads of copper grease they can be stripped with normal tools with minimal swearing.

The three 13mm hub bolts will be corroded into the knuckle. A combination of loads of penetrating fluid, heat and gentle pressure and hammer taps can help.

OR, deranged ape again, snap all the bolts off, hammer the ends out of the hub and rebuild with new bolts (I have spares I can post you).

Further troubles you may have include separating the hub unit from the knuckle. This can bring on more Tourette's but there is a good truck on Stu off-road that uses the steering power of the jeep to push the hub out of the knuckle. You will struggle to do this if you snap all the bolts off!

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2015, 09:14:18 AM »

Cheers guys - I've taken a look in the daylight this morning and decided that I'm definitely feeling more positive about it now.

I don't have heat available, so might have to resort to snapping them all. I applied gentle force to the first bolt (albeit with a scaffolding pole

), and that was still too tight not to snap. This whole knuckle seems more rusty than is normal to me - it had an advisory on it last MOT, not that that probably means much.

James - I've come across the steering method before to remove the hub. How come it won't work with snapped bolts - is it because of the angle at which the force is being applied? I think I'll take you up on the offer of spare bolts anyway if that's okay, as I'll need at least one and I can't find them easily for anything less than ridiculous prices.

I'll let you lot know if I continue to be stuck, as I might well then need help!

Dave made this job look so easy when he did my last bearing!

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #36 on:** November 19, 2015, 03:03:04 PM »

So I've finally got somewhere!

I managed to snap a second bolt despite my best attempts at being very gentle with the scaffolding pole. The third bolt I managed to remove intact by putting the bottle jack under the little breaker bar from my socket set.

I tried lots of hammering to get the hub off to no avail, so I wedged one of the snapped bolts between the axle tube and the hub as James mentioned, then turned the steering wheel and it popped right off!

Now to figure out how to get the ABS ring off the half shaft...

Green Jeep · « **Reply #37 on:** November 19, 2015, 05:13:02 PM »

Happy days, wire brush and copper grease everything, easy next time then...

JamesH · « **Reply #38 on:** November 19, 2015, 05:57:43 PM »

Good work

PM me your address and I'll put the bolts in the post for quick delivery.

I didn't think you would have enough bolt sticking out to do the steering trick if they snapped off but you've done it so well done.

Cleaning and copper ease will make is so easy next time you have to take this lot apart.

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #39 on:** November 19, 2015, 07:04:35 PM »

James - PM sent - thank you so much!

The steering trick doesn't actually rely on the bolts being threaded in - you wedge something between the end of the axle tube and the ears of the CV joint (or whatever it's called!), so it pops the whole half shaft out.

Does anyone have any more tricks to get the remainder of the ABS ring off? I hammered for about 40 minutes but couldn't get it to budge...

General Confusion · « **Reply #40 on:** November 19, 2015, 07:15:00 PM »

Might be just as easy to see if anyone has a half-shaft.
I have some in the garage, not sure if any have tone rings on, but I could check in the daylight.
Do you need the long one or the short one.

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #41 on:** November 19, 2015, 07:54:59 PM »

Hmmm, I could be tempted by a half shaft. I would need the short one - without a tone ring unless it's in usable condition!

Dave69 · « **Reply #42 on:** November 20, 2015, 12:59:48 PM »

rust on the hub, that amount looks normal.

partially cut through the ring and use a lump hammer and "old" screw driver or cold chisel to break the ring. then you should be able to start bending and prising the ring off. not sure how plyable they are or they may just snap

General Confusion · « **Reply #43 on:** November 20, 2015, 03:19:22 PM »

Sorry, just had a look. I only have non-abs shafts. My TJ doesn't have abs.

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #44 on:** November 20, 2015, 03:36:21 PM »

Not to worry - thanks for looking!
What's the best thing to cut the ring with? I currently have nothing!

General Confusion · « **Reply #45 on:** November 20, 2015, 03:49:26 PM »

If it has a split as you said, can you not open the split with a cold chisel and a BFH. Then prise it open

JamesH · « **Reply #46 on:** November 20, 2015, 04:02:53 PM »

It is just a tight fit on the shaft plus corrosion, seeing as you don't mind breaking it why not just keeping hitting it in the direction it's supposed to go and if it breaks well no problem. I remember them being quite brittle

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #47 on:** November 20, 2015, 09:20:35 PM »

Although it has split, the split only covers the half of the width that isn't up against the axle shaft.

I've hammered at it for about 40 minutes and managed to chip away all of that half, but where it's up tight against the shaft I can't get it to budge.
I've bought a hack saw now so will try to cut through it, as I'm sure I can get it off once I have a crack to chip away at.

I hope this makes sense as red grape juice has been consumed

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Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #48 on:** November 21, 2015, 11:23:04 AM »

New hub bolts have just arrived special delivery from a very kind James!

I'm now feeling hopeful that the XJ could be MOT ready by the end of the weekend

Brynjaminjones · « **Reply #49 on:** November 22, 2015, 02:46:58 PM »

So after much sawing and hammering, the old ring is off and the new one on!

Reassembly couldn't have gone any more smoothly, so I took it out for a spin.

After several laps of the block the light was still on, so I popped the bonnet to disconnect the battery out of desperation. Turns out that it helps if you connect the ABS sensor wires! D'oh!

A very happy Bryn has an XJ that could be going in for its MOT this week

Author Topic: XJ/Dana 30 ABS Tone Ring Replacement (Read 10735 times)

Delk

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