Post by: xr6jeeper on November 03, 2008, 08:59:07 PM
Pics would be nice, suspension, engines, anything you like
Post by: tim_aka_tim on November 03, 2008, 09:24:55 PM
Post by: greggmo on November 03, 2008, 09:31:51 PM
Post by: doublej on November 03, 2008, 10:59:30 PM
and if you don't have something to build........send me a pm or come down, ill gladly use your fab skills
Post by: Nosebolt on November 03, 2008, 11:13:13 PM
Post by: Tank on November 03, 2008, 11:16:24 PM
Post by: isle of man on November 04, 2008, 12:54:09 AM
Post by: xjlee on November 04, 2008, 07:31:47 AM
Hope this helps the thread
Ill update with some pics as soon as.
Post by: Nexus on November 04, 2008, 09:53:36 AM
(http://http://birtydastardsjeepclub.com/forum/userpix/1444_ChassisSandblast110_1.jpg)
On going project that will take about 18 months to finish.
Cheers
Nick
Post by: xr6jeeper on November 04, 2008, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: "xjlee"
Standard 4.0 limited with a saggy arse. Owned it nearly 3 weeks, found out it had a bit of a case of tin worm 8-)
Hope this helps the thread
Looking good lee, my old cj had loads of tin worm, took ages to sort out.
are the 31 s mud terrains.
Post by: xr6jeeper on November 04, 2008, 12:15:53 PM
Quote from: "Nexus"
Unfortunately, not building anything Jeep related at the moment, but this is the Austin Seven after I finished sand blasting the chassis on the weekend.
(http://http://birtydastardsjeepclub.com/forum/userpix/1444_ChassisSandblast110_1.jpg)
On going project that will take about 18 months to finish.
Cheers
Nick
Loadsa work, i used to have an old austin 8 1946, with the wind out screen i bought it while i was at school with my paper round money.
It was as rotten as a pear, i had a lockup with no electric that i paid about 50pence a week for. happy days
Post by: xjlee on November 04, 2008, 12:48:17 PM
Quote
Looking good lee, my old cj had loads of tin worm, took ages to sort out.
are the 31 s mud terrains.
I haven't seen a rotted xj before, i must lead a sheltered life 8-)
Post by: Panic mechanic! on November 04, 2008, 04:40:10 PM
Post by: mikey-t on November 04, 2008, 05:23:29 PM
this is the last time i tried with a very poor motherboard to get it working at least
(http://http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/cruisemidlands/abb5f575.jpg)
Post by: Bubba on November 04, 2008, 05:41:12 PM
Post by: Nexus on November 04, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
, the plan is to restore it to fairly original with only minor mods to make it usable day to day.
Post by: tim_aka_tim on November 04, 2008, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: "Nexus"
the plan is to restore it to fairly original with only minor mods to make it usable day to day.
Like pedals?
Post by: scrw on November 04, 2008, 06:16:10 PM
Post by: Bubba on November 04, 2008, 06:24:30 PM
Post by: cully on November 04, 2008, 06:31:29 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on November 04, 2008, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: "V8 Bubba"
planning a v8 diesel conversion for the spring/summer project
What v8 oil burner would that be?
A mate of mine did a conversion a couple of years back, but wasnt happy with the power it kicked out so he put it back to v8 petrol.
Post by: Nexus on November 04, 2008, 07:03:48 PM
Post by: Dave69 on November 04, 2008, 07:09:59 PM
Post by: Dave69 on November 04, 2008, 07:10:49 PM
Post by: scrw on November 04, 2008, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: "V8 Bubba"
an mx5 :?:
Used to do TR's and MGs, got fed up of breaking down and rust so got a cheap MX, think of it as a Lotus Elan without the hassle LOL
Post by: Bubba on November 04, 2008, 08:04:57 PM
diesel will be a 6.2 chevy/gmc diesel i have a good lead on a cheap one
Post by: isle of man on November 04, 2008, 08:06:16 PM
Post by: scrw on November 04, 2008, 08:08:24 PM
Post by: mikey-t on November 04, 2008, 08:29:04 PM
Post by: king cj on November 05, 2008, 08:40:52 AM
Post by: xr6jeeper on November 05, 2008, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: "king cj"
currently doing 4 wheel steer and engine work to the cj
So are you taking the knuckles and shafts from a front dana and grafting them onto the rear axle.
Have you bought a kit from the us, or are you using a different rear end, sounds like an interesting project, got any pics
Post by: king cj on November 05, 2008, 04:48:15 PM
Post by: Bishops Finger on November 05, 2008, 05:17:09 PM
Post by: Bubba on November 05, 2008, 05:58:13 PM
Post by: wildwood on November 05, 2008, 06:17:04 PM
YJ project in progress next month: J20 axles, flat top knuckles with cross over steering, hydro assist, six inch extend to rear and maybe spring over with waggy springs to get 4 more inches length. Bead locks and 37 maxxis.
If I get done by summer then I've got a 383 small block to slot in front of the NV3500 with Dana 300 and Klune underdrive that I've been running for 18 months but that is a long way off a the moment. Will still run LPG.... oh yes...!
Post by: Bubba on November 05, 2008, 06:40:57 PM
Post by: isle of man on November 05, 2008, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: king cj on November 06, 2008, 08:25:59 AM
im just skimming the heads a little to get the compression ratio up, anyone know how much to skim stock heads to get 11:1 ish?
Post by: Nosebolt on November 06, 2008, 09:54:13 AM
first work out what you have, then adjust for skim value to test if it will get desired result, if not try a diff skim amount, lot easier the doing job then trying to add metal back
Post by: MOCAJ on November 06, 2008, 01:21:33 PM
Quote
"Nosebolt, lot easier the doing job then trying to add metal back ROFL
Post by: king cj on November 06, 2008, 07:10:22 PM
Post by: Dave69 on November 06, 2008, 07:20:53 PM
Quote from: "Nosebolt"
this should help (http://http://www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html)
first work out what you have, then adjust for skim value to test if it will get desired result, if not try a diff skim amount, lot easier the doing job then trying to add metal back
if you take too much off then just increase the thickness of the head gasket or base gasket.
Post by: mikesknives on November 19, 2008, 09:17:09 AM
Just started to tear down the XJ and plan to fabricate my own frame stiffeners, sliders and front bumper.
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 08, 2008, 07:09:22 PM
Quote from: "mikesknives"
I'm building me an offroader!!!Hey mike! do you make knives,
Just started to tear down the XJ and plan to fabricate my own frame stiffeners, sliders and front bumper.
Post by: mikesknives on December 12, 2008, 05:55:45 PM
Cheers
Mike
Post by: daggie on December 12, 2008, 06:03:28 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 12, 2008, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: "daggie"
a yota smurf :?:
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 12, 2008, 07:37:41 PM
Quote from: "mikesknives"
I keep planning to make my own but I've ended up dealing in handmade and collectable knives instead. One day I will but at the mo I have a little website and travel round to various shows in the summer with a selection of high quality cutlery. I also organise Knives-UK the only knife show in the UK. That I'm afraid keeps me more than busy enough to stop me making any knives especially now I own a Jeep as well :-)
Post by: daggie on December 13, 2008, 05:40:55 AM
Quote from: "xr6jeeper"
Quote from: "daggie"a yota smurf :?:
(http://http://birtydastardsjeepclub.com/forum/userpix/20_surf_1_422_x_317_1.jpg)
8-)
Post by: mikesknives on December 13, 2008, 11:53:29 PM
Quote from: "xr6jeeper"
Quote from: "mikesknives"I keep planning to make my own but I've ended up dealing in handmade and collectable knives instead. One day I will but at the mo I have a little website and travel round to various shows in the summer with a selection of high quality cutlery. I also organise Knives-UK the only knife show in the UK. That I'm afraid keeps me more than busy enough to stop me making any knives especially now I own a Jeep as well :-)
Yeah absolutley, Stu's agreat bloke. And if anyone here wants a "quality" knife give me a call and I'd be happy to offer some advice.
Post by: wazza on December 14, 2008, 09:18:15 AM
and i put a clutch in it.
im now playing with a 4.6 stroker :-D
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 10:27:30 AM
Quote from: "wazza"
ive just turfed out the garage, a friends 4ltr tj that ive re-re-geared the rear dana 44 cos it wasn't done properly in the first place, by a certain 'Specialist' in the 'Leisure' area.
and i put a clutch in it.
im now playing with a 4.6 stroker :-D
Does that mean your gonna make a bigger butterfly(for the tb?
Post by: wazza on December 14, 2008, 12:05:39 PM
if i boar that out to match the top half then it won't be affected an i can leave the butterfly standard.
but im going to boar the whole thing to 62mm so yep ill need to fit a bigger butterfly.
im actual tempted to take it to 64mm, an there seems to be quite a few yanks running 65mm TB from Mustangs (i think) an they are very happy with them. altho there are alot of others scorning the idea of anything bigger than 62 aswell.
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: "wazza"
above the butterfly on a standard one is 60mm an just below it necks down to 55ish at a rough measurement.
if i boar that out to match the top half then it won't be affected an i can leave the butterfly standard.
but im going to boar the whole thing to 62mm so yep ill need to fit a bigger butterfly.
im actual tempted to take it to 64mm, an there seems to be quite a few yanks running 65mm TB from Mustangs (i think) an they are very happy with them. altho there are alot of others scorning the idea of anything bigger than 62 aswell.
Yeah mines 65mm,
Post by: wazza on December 14, 2008, 03:18:41 PM
what you think of it?
what is it an where'd you get it?
Post by: Bubba on December 14, 2008, 06:34:44 PM
Post by: isle of man on December 14, 2008, 06:36:03 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 07:48:13 PM
Quote from: "V8 Bubba"
not a fan of strokers but it sounds interesting
Strokers! now youve lost me, explain bub, :roll:
Post by: wazza on December 14, 2008, 07:48:15 PM
an thats the main thing, its a drop in replacement, it even looks standard!
i luv my zj but its lacking highly on the grin factor.
i thought about a v8 option - it wouldn't cost masses because i do everything myself (i still don't have the cash for it) but its the shear time an effort involved in making it fit and work i just don't have.
an as for buying a proper v8 zj i can't afford one!
im rebilding it now, i wish i didn't have to but the dingbat the built it has all the right component an just no knowlege of what to do with them!
it needs a full set of mains an big ends, the big ends, you'd think had done a 100,000 miles, the cam bearings are shot, he even fitted the head gasket with silicon, which is whats lead me to pulling it apart.
An im glad i have!!!
Post by: wazza on December 14, 2008, 07:55:50 PM
mine's also got a hairy cam shaft
you can take them up to a 5ltr an 300HP but that gets very complicated!!!!
once ive finnished it, it will be pulling approximately 250 HP
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 07:56:08 PM
Quote from: "wazza"
well i was the same, V8 all the way but ive driven it for a couple of weeks an its great fun, got loads of kick to it, leaves a standard 4 liter for dead an its a drop in replacement for half the cash you could build an fit a v8 for.
an thats the main thing, its a drop in replacement, it even looks standard!
i luv my zj but its lacking highly on the grin factor.
i thought about a v8 option - it wouldn't cost masses because i do everything myself (i still don't have the cash for it) but its the shear time an effort involved in making it fit and work i just don't have.
an as for buying a proper v8 zj i can't afford one!
im rebilding it now, i wish i didn't have to but the dingbat the built it has all the right component an just no knowlege of what to do with them!
it needs a full set of mains an big ends, the big ends, you'd think had done a 100,000 miles, the cam bearings are shot, he even fitted the head gasket with silicon, which is whats lead me to pulling it apart.
An im glad i have!!!
Are you gonna fit roller rockers, etc
Post by: wazza on December 14, 2008, 08:02:35 PM
i don't have any an can't afford them so i might make it a future mod.
people do have them but a something which did ring bells with me was - someone mentioned "why do you need roller rockers on an engine that only goes to 5200rpm.
they are still a good an beneficial mod but by the sound of it an all the replys i read, they're not a super thing for this engine.
but i do love the look of them!!!
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 08:25:05 PM
Post by: isle of man on December 14, 2008, 08:30:20 PM
(http://http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/6.1Hemi%201%20BPE.jpg)
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 08:49:37 PM
Quote from: "isle of man"
http://http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/61LHemiEngines.asp
(http://http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/6.1Hemi%201%20BPE.jpg)
And
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 08:52:36 PM
Quote from: "xr6jeeper"
Quote from: "isle of man"http://http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/61LHemiEngines.asp
(http://http://www.bouchillonperformance.com/6.1Hemi%201%20BPE.jpg)
And ROFL
Post by: Bubba on December 14, 2008, 09:46:37 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 10:25:18 PM
http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/ ... index.html (http://www.jpmagazine.com/techarticles/engine/154_0508_golen_4_6l_stroker_engine/index.html)
Post by: Bubba on December 14, 2008, 10:44:04 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 10:47:12 PM
Post by: Bubba on December 14, 2008, 10:49:51 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 14, 2008, 10:53:58 PM
http://jeep-forums.4wd.com/showthread.php?t=28606 (http://jeep-forums.4wd.com/showthread.php?t=28606)
Post by: Bulldog67 on December 15, 2008, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: "V8 Bubba"
no i have an ssbc kit to fit to the rear its off the scrambler that was sadly totaled a while a go but i must say i do like rear discs for cjs
the light bulb went on, now thats a great idea, quick flip to google and fooooooooooooookin hell, a snip at $884
Post by: wildwood on December 15, 2008, 12:31:46 PM
V8 for me every day 'cos I know a good'un will out live me!!
The JP stroker was an interesting build-up .....but where is it now???
I am sure it ate its camshaft first off and then later expired altogether.
I am also sure I read that the tech writer Hazel was it wished they had left the cherry as it was....
Dead easy to get 350 horses and 3-400 torque thingies from a 350. got to be way to go.
Just my personal opinion of course.
On a note that not many have mentioned. Anorak anorak....
Find yourself a 500cid caddy lump with TH400 behind it (they all had it)
advance adapters to attach Atlas to TH400 and you got running gear for life 400 bhp off idle and 500 foot torquies. fantasy fantasy
www.500c.i.d.com (http://www.500c.i.d.com) is the site I think, that can make em fit a Jeep.
Must get back to work. cheers
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 15, 2008, 05:01:39 PM
Quote from: "Bulldog67"
Quote from: "V8 Bubba"no i have an ssbc kit to fit to the rear its off the scrambler that was sadly totaled a while a go but i must say i do like rear discs for cjs
the light bulb went on, now thats a great idea, quick flip to google and fooooooooooooookin hell, a snip at $884 :-)
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 15, 2008, 07:26:11 PM
Quote from: "wildwood"
Have to say I love any tuning possibilities.
V8 for me every day 'cos I know a good'un will out live me!!
The JP stroker was an interesting build-up .....but where is it now???
I am sure it ate its camshaft first off and then later expired altogether.
I am also sure I read that the tech writer Hazel was it wished they had left the cherry as it was....
Dead easy to get 350 horses and 3-400 torque thingies from a 350. got to be way to go.
Just my personal opinion of course.
On a note that not many have mentioned. Anorak anorak....
Find yourself a 500cid caddy lump with TH400 behind it (they all had it)
advance adapters to attach Atlas to TH400 and you got running gear for life 400 bhp off idle and 500 foot torquies. fantasy fantasy
www.500c.i.d.com (http://www.500c.i.d.com) is the site I think, that can make em fit a Jeep.
Must get back to work. cheers
Yeah we ran one in the eighties in a wheelie truck, i think we had a holley 4 barrel on it with a set of headers, as you say very reliable
Post by: wazza on December 15, 2008, 07:43:41 PM
currently the pistons are 0.032" below deck, but when i find out the cc, an work out everything else, i might have that taken off the block when i take it to the machine shop.
i might forget the valve angle job (unless you can convince me otherwise)
im not sure what head gasket im using yet either, ill probly get one from yank land instead of the composite one ive got in the garage.
i will be ballancing the rods and pistons.
unfortunately ive got three 97 heads to practice porting with. still not a bad option tho.
ill be purchasing a set of 24lb/hr injectors (run 25.7lb/hr at 49psi)
an just the throttle body to boar out after that.
bubba your not wrong, NO built/modified engine will ever last as long as a standard one or even slightly modded one, but where would the fun in that be? an frankly i don't expect it to with my driving
500cid caddy lump with TH400
if i had one of those shoved up my sleave i would make it fit!
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 15, 2008, 08:17:03 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614289 (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614289)
Post by: wazza on December 15, 2008, 08:35:17 PM
a turbo has crossed my mind an path recently but didn't think of adding it to the stroker.
i think ill get it running first an then add a turbo into the works
Post by: Tragic on December 15, 2008, 09:48:55 PM
And I've also been down the 500ci Caddy route, but mine was in a '72 Coupe DeVille. Hmm, 8.2 litres and front wheel drive........ :twisted:
Just a thought, I have the engine and box from a BMW M5 sitting on a pallet. 5.0 litre V10 with 7 speed SMG flappy paddle, 507 bhp........... I've measured it and it WILL fit :twisted:
Post by: Bubba on December 15, 2008, 10:12:44 PM
Post by: Panic mechanic! on December 15, 2008, 10:21:52 PM
bored- stroked and er 2100 hp ( on nitro of course), you can't beat a v8
532 ci
Post by: isle of man on December 15, 2008, 10:55:46 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 15, 2008, 11:04:51 PM
Quote from: "Panic mechanic!"
(http://http://birtydastardsjeepclub.com/forum/userpix/9_matchmakermotor08_1.jpg)
bored- stroked and er 2100 hp ( on nitro of course), you can't beat a v8
532 ci
whats the block, its not a tfx is it?
Edit , no its just a baby
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 15, 2008, 11:19:17 PM
(http://http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee125/jethro289302/Image7cannonballfunnycar.jpg)
Post by: Panic mechanic! on December 16, 2008, 08:05:45 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 16, 2008, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: "Panic mechanic!"
you know what the problem is, those that have never had a big US V8 don't understand what they do to you!
It just occured to me Panic mechanic, your name sugests you know gary and his late brother.
Post by: Mick O on December 17, 2008, 08:32:06 AM
Quote from: "Panic mechanic!"
you know what the problem is, those that have never had a big US V8 don't understand what they do to you!
Aint that the truth 8-)
Post by: wazza on December 17, 2008, 05:04:22 PM
Quote
Panic mechanic! Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject:
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you know what the problem is, those that have never had a big US V8 don't understand what they do to you!
ive got a cj with a 360 an absolutely love it but ive now got another toy to play with too
Post by: Panic mechanic! on December 17, 2008, 05:36:31 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 19, 2008, 11:46:57 PM
Post by: Bubba on December 21, 2008, 08:45:05 PM
Post by: Panic mechanic! on December 21, 2008, 09:39:14 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 21, 2008, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: "V8 Bubba"
hmmm so that disc kit you posted any idea what those parts work out two here in the uk i agree it looks the same caliper as my ssbc ones
Ive found the discs on e bay for 40 quid, the calipers are gonna be around a hundred second hand, and the bracket is a piece of3/8 steel.
The drawing of the bracket is on the thread somewhere
Heres the bracket, http://www.abeenterprises.com/files/CJ- ... racket.pdf (http://www.abeenterprises.com/files/CJ-DiscBrake-Bracket.pdf)
Post by: Bubba on December 22, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
i am thinking vitara front discs
Post by: wildwood on December 23, 2008, 11:21:06 AM
I really new this all along but had the hippy rose tints on while I bench built this in my head!
I just anoraked off the interweb 2 things that made me reconsider.
JP mag did an article in numerous parts on their 'steal J' TJ they threw money at it and put in a 700R4 result was power sapping and they wished they had gone deeper with the gears. lesson 1
Just read review of 94 YJ with dana 60 under rear. Now we know 35c is a dog so that's why I got a Dana 44 from a TJ and its been bullet proof for 6 years and I can lift it myself.
Seems that it was a three man lift for this dude with the 60 and now he feels his rig is so gutless he's now got to go with engine transplant.
lesson 2
A mate just asked me why change? Well I need to go deeper with gears to maybe 5.38 (or is it 36?) to work with 37s
Deepest you can go with Dana 30 is 4.88 and axles are flexible I know
I 've bent 2.
So its back to Waggy axles 44 front and back. Now I've got the 300 I can go right side drop or if I can find a rare in this country left side drop that will also work with current gear.
Sometimes it pays to anorak and google
cheers all Jez
Post by: king cj on December 23, 2008, 11:36:56 AM
Post by: wildwood on December 23, 2008, 12:37:35 PM
I was secretly hoping that would be the case.
Its back to J20s then.
It's the gearing thats crucial
I do love 8 lugs such overkill
Post by: xr6jeeper on December 23, 2008, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: "V8 Bubba"
i think the ssbc brackets are better and simple to copy i have mates in the breaking of motors so what car shold i tell then to watch out for for the calipers :-)
Post by: Tragic on December 23, 2008, 07:29:08 PM
Si Redmond from Bucks Jeep Club has a pair of Dynatrac D60s under his YJ running 4.88s, the stock motor, AX15, a stock NP231 and 38" TSLs. He reckons it is absolutely fine, no performance issues at all.
5.38s would probably be too low for the kind of wheeling we have over here, 5.13s may be a better choice? Just a thought.....
As for the SSBC kit, the calipers and pads (at least for a YJ) are from a Ford Thunderbird Turbo, the discs are bespoke parts made by, and only availabe from SSBC.
As for 300zx calipers, they're the same as Nissan Skyline and therefore the second hand parts market is flooded with cheap bits. What do you want? Upgraded calipers? Performance pads?
Wasn't someone (maybe MDG?) doing a rear disc kit using Rover 800 calipers a while back?
Post by: isle of man on December 23, 2008, 07:36:12 PM
Post by: wildwood on December 23, 2008, 09:01:26 PM
5.13s I guess might be the babies.
Post by: Bubba on December 23, 2008, 09:40:29 PM
Post by: wildwood on December 24, 2008, 11:56:10 AM
Found some 15" 8 lug beadlocks that will clear J20 drums on rear through High Impact who also do the Klune. Just basic black steelies with beadlocks $200 a pop.
Running gear is NV3500 klune 4:1 and Dana300 so need gearing to work with OD ratio in box hence deeper than King CJ
Post by: xr6jeeper on January 03, 2009, 11:44:09 AM
The front spots were freebies from a mates dad who works on diggers, just gotta finish rubbing the last one down before it gets a coat of satin black. Im well chuffed
(http://http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee125/jethro289302/jeeprearlights005.jpg)
Post by: gazjeep on January 03, 2009, 12:01:36 PM
