Topic: 9500 or 12000lb Winch (Read 4644 times)

Nexus · « **on:** September 09, 2009, 04:33:15 PM »

Looking at winches at the moment and can't decide whether to go 9500lb or 12000lb pull for a winch, leaning towards the 9500lb as it is cheaper / smaller / lighter and I am not sure if I would ever need 12000lb pull for getting the TJ unstuck. So was hoping people would sound off with their opinions.

Cheers
Nick

Nosebolt · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2009, 04:46:59 PM »

personly i wouldnt stress on size, just get the best quality you can, and stay clear of the cheap chinese crap on flebay, seen 3 die on first pull now

Dave69 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2009, 04:49:46 PM »

if your pulling out of mud then the vehicle "dead load" is increased considerably before the towed vehicle starts to aid.
buy a well known brand mainly for reliability when the winch is working hard

Tank · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2009, 06:23:29 PM »

Got a second hand Ramsey winch,taken off a recovery truck,rated at 9000 lbs,and although well used,it will have a brand new warn winch cable,and im looking for £180 with the new cable if interested,or £150 with current cable if interested.Should be better than a cheap 9.5 or 12000 lb cheapie.Ive seen a few of those extreme 12000lb winches already as spares or repair,and not too old either

Nexus · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2009, 06:43:25 PM »

Was looking at the T-Max Outback 9500 12v Winch With Radio Control. Specs shown below, been doing some searching and they don't get too bad a write up, as I cannot really justify the cost of a Warn. Also looked into spares and they are fairly easy to come by. Also looked at the Warn for comparisons and they get the love hate ratings as well and seem to be as problematic as any other winch.

Radio control version
Features

* Complete Package: Outback Series Electric Recovery Winches feature both a wired (12' lead) and wireless remote, enabling safe effective winching in any environment.
* Safety Alert Light: T-Max Outback Series Winches feature lights indicating load (light becomes dimmer the heavier the load) and winch operation.
* Heavy Duty Construction: Stainless Steel construction on the clutch and hardware ensure a longer life span for your winch.
* Machined, Planetary Gears: T-Max 3-stage planetary gears are efficient and durable, they hold up to brutality that winching requires. Machined gears are standard on all winches rated at or above 6500 lbs. Other brands have pressed gears that are not as tough.
* Low Gear Ratio: T-Max winches are intentionally geared lower to increase control and safety. The geared-down T-Max features a longer motor life plus boasts quick line-speeds under load.
* 6.6HP Series Wound Motor: T-max features hi-output, series wound motors for serious endurance and reliability. Winches rated at or above 9000lb carry a 6.6hp motor! Big T-max motors coupled with low T-max gearing create excellent resistance to overheating and wear.
* Posi-Loc, Drum Brake System: The T-Max Posi-loc drum brake automatically locks the drum to the beefy main gears at the moment winching is stopped. Compared to cone brakes, the T-Max design wears less on the motor, keeps the drum temperature lower, and is more reliable.
* Bearing Not Bushings: The staff in the T-max is bearing-driven for smooth, cooler winching. Lass amperage draw and reduced workload on the motor are additional benefits to this T-Max exclusive feature.

Rated Line Pull: 9500 lbs. (4532kgs) Single-Line
Motor: 6.6HP Series-Wound
Control: Remote Switch, 12'(3.7m) lead
Gear Train: 3-Stage Planetary
Gear Ratio: 218.1
Clutch: Shift Pin Ring Gear
Brake: Automatic In-The-Drum
Drum Size: Diameter 2.52” (66mm) Length 8.82” (224mm)
Wire Rope: 94', 21/64” Diameter (28.5m, 8.2mm Diameter)
Fairlead: Roller Fairlead
Wireless Multi-control: Included
Recommended Battery: 650CCA Minimum for Winching
Battery Leads: 25mm2, 72” (1.83m)
Finish: Black/Dark Grey
Weight: 84lbs. (38kg)
Overall Dimensions: (L x W x H) 22” x 6.3” x 8.1” (557 x 160 x 205mm)
Mounting Bolt Pattern: 10.00” + 0.015” x 4.50” + 0.010” (254.0mm x 114.3mm

doublej · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2009, 08:49:47 PM »

warn seems to be the only winch to live up to their specs fully
husky,supper winch, t-max, champion all follow very close behind

id go with an 8k winch of good brand before 9or12k of lesser

isle of man · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2009, 08:55:36 PM »

Look at the Goldfish....

Nexus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2009, 09:18:52 PM »

Now been looking at the goldfish in the aquarium and can't say it has helped other than making me want a leak. I have looked at the Goldfish on the Goodwinch site, the only reason for the interest in the TMax is that for the same price it comes equiped with the wireless remote. But I have not made any hard and fast decisions as of yet. Probably leaning towards 9000ish pounds of pull as a size but other than that note decided yet.

Cheers
Nick

Nosebolt · « **Reply #8 on:** September 09, 2009, 09:58:43 PM »

a wireless remote kit is only 25 quid m8, don't choose a winch just on that feature

Warthog · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2009, 10:17:56 PM »

Superwinch Goldfish range seems popular. Would sway towards them, as i have had very good service from David Boywers in the past. And run the 5.6hp bowmotor on an 8274

I cant say a bad thing about the 2 "Come-ups 9000's" i have used regulary. At Cheapfest a single line pull on a stuffed Disco and a TJ from the Blue Subs bottomless pit is proof of their worth (Asylums front winch)

I have only seen gaskets between mating parts of Warn winches. So a strip down and sealant apllied to surfaces is worth considering. Theres a lot to said for servicing you winch regular. They still fill with crud over time and need a good strip down and clean now and then.

9000lb winch with a snatch block will move most things. Generally the 12000 models are identical but slower due to gearing to suit loads.

Oh! Whatever you do, stay away from "Brake in drum" models. As they are high maintenance, and synthetic ropes are a "NO,NO" as the drum heats up. Most 8000lbs winches are this style as it can keep the size more compact.

Not sure with the wireless remotes? Theres enough electrickery to deal with as it is

Hope that helps

greggmo · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2009, 10:38:35 PM »

superwinch all the way for me. both me and manda have had the ep9's for a while now and no probs at all. they have had some stick too. cheap winches are just that. some are ok but some are super shit...

wildwood · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2009, 11:02:27 PM »

Yup everything that Warthog said! Also found this on Pirate that gives the skinny on a few known names....
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=544912

Asylums 'Come up winches are UK built by guys that used to work for Warn and they run allbright solenods that guys who hot-rod their 8274s swear by! and they were selling for £399 at Jeepy event at Tong last month!!!

However the 8274 is the small block chevy of the winch world... but they ain't cheap even 2nd hand... however you can modify and repair till the cows come home and the parts are there.....

Hydraulic..... slow and unburstable.... if you saw me hauling guys out the goop on tickover you'll appreciate the reliability...
Had it on the front for 8 years never a prob...... However its going on the back soon and an 8274 is waiting in the wings for front duty so I guess that says it all.

Panic mechanic! · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2009, 06:19:18 PM »

to me it would help to work out whats going to be on the end most, if it was bubba I would go for the 9000 but if gregmo gets stuck you would deffo need the 12000.......

Dave69 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2009, 06:36:25 PM »

ooouuuucccchhhhhh that was below the belt

isle of man · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2009, 06:42:10 PM »

What about the SNATCHBLOCK?

Nexus · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2009, 08:45:25 PM »

Quote from: isle of man on September 10, 2009, 06:42:10 PM

What about the SNATCHBLOCK?

Is that some sort of embargo after you upset a someone of the female persuasion?

Panic mechanic! · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2009, 08:49:59 PM »

I am surprised he remembers what a snatch .......block is.........

Green Jeep · « **Reply #17 on:** October 15, 2009, 10:32:28 PM »

Often 12000 winches are just 9500 ones with different gears, so much slower... as discussed snatch block if heavy pull, this will also help keep the line straight and should wind back on the drum better....

Goodwinches (David Bower) are excellent, visited him earlier in the year... would say they are better than T max's...

PS He didn't have a good word to say about LR's... but loves Toyota's and Jeeps

Nexus · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2009, 08:10:10 AM »

Yep fitted a Goodwinch (very helpful people) TDS9.5C a couple of weeks back, installation under Winch bumper part1 and 2.

Cheers
Nick

Alan whitlock · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2009, 04:52:00 AM »

T-max....well worth the money.

Author Topic: 9500 or 12000lb Winch (Read 4644 times)

Nexus

Nosebolt

Tank

Nexus

doublej

Nexus

Nosebolt

Panic mechanic!

Nexus

Panic mechanic!

Green Jeep

Nexus

Alan whitlock