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WJ CRD: Wont rev past 2900RPM. Any ideas??
« on: March 24, 2015, 04:32:47 PM »

I have posted about this before a long time ago but there was no luck then but hopefully 2 years on maybe someone has experienced something similar and may be able to throw some light on the problem. Its a long story stemming form the vehicle going into the garage to get a water pump changed and it hasn't been on the road since!!! Details and comments as follows…
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE
OVERLAND 2.7 CRD
MODEL YEAR:    2003
VIN:         1J8G8E8A43Y533839
BOSCH ECU:   0281011094  (CHRYSLER RX044418AB)
         PIN 3720

FAULT CODES:
Here are the fault codes that are showing. They are all P codes....

0190      Fuel pressure
2128       Pedal sensor
2125      Pedal sensor
0253      Boost pressure
1608      Analogue digital convertor
0155      Engine coolant temperature
1605       System

(March 2014: All fault codes above have now been cleared apart from the 0253 Boodt pressure one)

When you start engine is starts and gauges show up correctly, then check engine light comes on and all gauges return to zero and stay there.
However in test mode the gauges do their normal thing.
When the check engine light comes on the electric seat function to move backwards or forwards stops for some reason.
Otherwise all we can get out of the engine is idle....Safe mode?? Latterly revs up to 2900RPM
There were times when the seat would move forward on its own as well, this seems to have stopped now.
Earths have been checked. Wiring checked , harness cover pulled back and wires traced to sensor listed above.
Sensors have been changed out and swapped with a car that was functioning properly.
Plugs have been checked for corrosion and misaligned connectors.

DEC 2013.... Just boost control pressure senso showing a fault now?

MARCH 2014..... Car will run ok if revs kept above 1000rpm from start. As soon as it drops to idle the warning lights come up and thats us back to square 1.

BACKGROUND:
Car had been into garage to have water pump replaced. Job had been done with no issues. I picked it up got 500 metres down road and all gauges went to zero, check engine light came on, the engine went into safe mode and I could not get it to rev at all. Vehicle would not drive anywhere as it would do no more that idle.
All fault codes were checked but no solution could be found for the engine being in safe mode.
The ECU has been sent to 3 different ECU specialists who have been unable to do anything with it apart from one company which did do a small repair on a track that had burnt out. It was checked and reinstalled but still no difference to the problem.
Since then another ECU has been installed but still no solution to problem.
All wiring has been checked in the harness and seems to be OK.
Various people and forums spoken to and all the usual comments as to why this has happened have been checked.

One comment was that the power supply to the boost pressure sensor and the air conditioning sensor pressure sensor were linked and the problem could be lying here but that was checked and seems OK.

April 2014:
Vehicle sent into Chrysler dealer in UK. Checked on DC diagnostic tool and same faults came up. Technition went through same checks that have been done previously and not had any luck in locating fault. Vehicle still showing same fault code for Turbo boost pressure sensor but this is still functioning properly.
Had requested Scan Log but dealers unable to pull this off the diagnostic tool!

I have attached the diagnostic report from the Jeep delay who charged me over £500 for just going over and reporting back what I knew and had done all ready. Absolutly no help whatsoever and their final statement was that they had to remove all sensors form the engine and replace them including the ECU but the couldn't guarantee they could rectify the problem or throw any further light on it.

The car was perfectly serviceable when it went into the garage and I had hoped to get another 10 years at least out of it but at the moment I am probably looking at scrapping it.

Any ideas much appreciated. Thank you
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Re: WJ CRD: Wont rev past 2900RPM. Any ideas??
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 06:41:53 PM »

 :017:   That sounds like a real PITA! I'm not suggesting that the following will help in any way, but I have come across a similar situation...in a diesel Nissan...it was a lack of adequate earthing between the motor and the chassis. We created two earthing points using a couple of odd bolt heads on the engine block (just happened to be conveniently located) and a copper strap between those bolts and the body (plenty of handy nuts which could be undone and a strap attached....just had to make sure we had metal to metal contact on both ends. One interesting thing I noticed on my Nissan...there is an earth strap connected to one of the mounting bolts on the water pump....food for thought!!
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Re: WJ CRD: Wont rev past 2900RPM. Any ideas??
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 07:29:26 PM »

Bugger, thats awful ....... whereabouts are you ?
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Re: WJ CRD: Wont rev past 2900RPM. Any ideas??
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 09:36:01 PM »

Which ECU did you get changed as when I had my WJ it went into limp mode but revs lower cant recall the fault codes. had to change the ECU for the gearbox. under the gear lever console if I recall.  Tried another ECU in that cured it and the donor vehicle tried mine and the fault appeared on theres. Needed the jeep computer machine DRB.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 06:55:37 PM »

The main ECU for the car was first checked and a wee fault in it repaired…..apparently… Made no difference.Then I purchased another one which was 2ndhand and had that coded as per the original and that made no difference either.

Earthing points have been looked at and all removed cleaned and checked according to the garage that repaired the water pump when the fault occurred so have to take their word on that.

It has had numerous people look at it including a local dealer who put it on a DRB, the report is in the attached document with my initial post. I have even spoken to contacts on mine on the Jeep Platform in the US as I have done a lot of work for them launching vehicles over the years but they weren't able to throw any light on it. It is an old vehicle in their eyes now and of course they never really dealt with the diesels.

Really frustrating as the car is in good nick, only down 100K miles and I was looking to get that out of it again. Not really sure what to do next as the avenues are closing off now from a cost perspective. I have spoken with a breaking company in Yorkshire who only deal with Jeep product and they have said that they can run a diagnostic on it and go through a process of changing sensors which they have on the shelf and maybe they will find a fault that way. if they can't find the fault then maybe Ill just have to scrap the car. I just find it hard to believe that in this day and age with the diagnostics they have on vehicle that the 'experts" can't find out whats wrong with the car.

Anywone know of a good electronic diagnostician?
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Re: WJ CRD: Wont rev past 2900RPM. Any ideas??
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 06:56:59 PM »

That water pump remark has got me thinking though!!! I'll give that a check and see if there is one just hanging around down there looking for a home!!
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Re: WJ CRD: Wont rev past 2900RPM. Any ideas??
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 07:08:46 PM »

That water pump remark has got me thinking though!!! I'll give that a check and see if there is one just hanging around down there looking for a home!!


Either that, or evidence that one has been in the vicinity, sometime in the past.

Fingers crossed for you.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 07:28:33 PM »

have you checked the mass air flow sensor? I have a mate he is a mechanic and merc specialist he lives in the states and said swap it out with another if you can, he also said check the vac hoses to vac transducer to  the turbo wastegate as many people put them back on the wrong way round and that put the engine into limp mode
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2015, 09:37:58 AM »

Thanks Panic Mechanic. Not sure if that has been done but I will check with the guy who fitted the water pump and then did a lot of the checking to see if he could find the fault. I am gradually compiling all the suggestions for when I take the vehicle to the breakers for them to see if they can find what going on. I'll keep you posted. many thanks to all.
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Re: WJ CRD: Wont rev past 2900RPM. Any ideas??
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2015, 11:11:17 AM »

Hi Duncan, sorry to hear about your woes.  Hopefully the car can be saved and will do you at least the same again!

I started a thread the other day about a cleaning system for my WJ CRD (2.7) as wanted to give everything a bit of a flush out as its done 100k.  One of the guys on here recommended PowerEnhancer, and as I read their pages a load of stuff came up about how cleaning the built up crap out of your engine and components can resolve limp home issues (see http://www.powerenhancer.co.uk/news/bg-244-for-diesel/ and http://www.oilem.com/turbo-cleaning-and-turbo-cleaners/).  I just wondered if its possible that you've got a build up on some components which is sending weird signals to the ecu and tripping the limp home bit and other error codes.  For the sake of about £30 it might be worth grabbing some cleaner and burning it through your system to see if it helps?  I bought from the powerenhancer.co.uk website direct as same price as other places, and they offered cheap 24hour delivery.

Wishing you the best of luck and hope you manage to get it sorted - be great to hear what you end up doing and if anything works.
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2015, 02:13:14 PM »

Have to agree with what Panic said about the MAF...that little fecker can cause all sorts of woes!
Whenever my KJ started to get a bit grumpy, that was the first port of call and it nearly always cured the ills. Needs to be clean.
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