Birty Dastards Jeep Club
Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Mike Pavelin on September 12, 2015, 08:53:52 PM
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Well here it is....
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Emptied all the junk out and had a proper ganders at it. Totally original, no add ons, no bling, no repairs. the only non standard fitting is the bird's nest....
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0122.jpg)
Having pulled the carpet, most of the floor is solid
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0120.jpg)
But the drivers side is a wreck :icon_rolleyes:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0125.jpg)
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0124.jpg)
Just to add insult to injury there's a foot long hole in the chassis under the drivers seat as well :die:
To cheer myself up. I decided to get it to move under it's own power. The 258 turned over OK by hand so I lobbed a decent battery in and hooked the fuel pump up to a can of fresh juice and, vroom! Fired up straight away. Water pump shagged, carb needs tweaking and vac pipe rotted off dizzy, but purrs. Phase 2, get it to move. Found the clutch slave under the seat in bits, piston seizes solid inside and rubber seal ruined by WD40, so cleaned it up and put new seals in. Had a hose made up and bolted it on, cleaned out master and bled, voila! we have clutch pedal but clutch plate stuck. :banghead: Cranked it over in gear with the pedal on the floor, and after a bang, off it came, 3 forward, 1 reverse, 4WD hi and lo. Happy days Blues No brakes, master cylinder rotten along with several pipes but enough for today :icon_winkle:
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:icon_super:....looking forward to the rest of this project.
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I like that :greggmo:
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nice to see a standard one :icon_super:
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Before I go nuts and order a new one, has anyone got a decent fuel tank assembly? I need the whole lot, tank, skid plate, straps etc.
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Interested in this, sounds like a great project
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Cool
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Keep posting pics, nice project
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I have a lot of like for that. Would it originally have come with a roll bar?
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Looks great, staying tango?
Good luck with the build...
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The orange is original and stays. It never had a roll bar, and I like the look without it, although fitting one would allow me to use modern inertia seat belts. nor sure yet. :97:
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still got lap belts in mine, havent been stopped by the local police yet
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Lap belts on the driver and front passenger seat shouldn't pass an MoT. The belts should restrain the upper body of the occupants.
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Lap belts on the driver and front passenger seat shouldn't pass an MoT. The belts should restrain the upper body of the occupants.
even with age related rights and no upper mounting point available?
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My old Land Rover didn't even have lap belts when built and had no issue with MOT's at several places.
I did install front lap belts because it was pretty scary when the drivers door would open while driving along.
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'68 onwards should be retro fitted to three point belts.
drilling, bolts and new belts maybe requried
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If you decide you want a rollbar (and you probably should), the CJ style one from my YJ should bolt right in, along with its attached 3 point belts.
I have a later 'Family style' one that I've yet to swap in. This would give me the incentive to finally do so.
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still got lap belts in mine, havent been stopped by the local police yet
I got pulled over twice and got severely told off and threatened...
It had "lap-onlys", so I drilled the rollbar and but in lap and diagonals.
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Tango has 3 point static belts, the shoulder belt is bolted to the rear wheel tub near the back.
Tim, hang on to that roll bar, I'll have it when you get it out.
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Haven't had much time of late, but finally bit the bullet and had a look at that foot long hole in the chassis. After removing as much rot as I dared, I ended up with a four foot hole to repair :118:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0144.jpg)
With no repair pieces available for this section, I had to either replace the whole thing, graft in a piece from another chassis or make a new piece. In the end I went for the latter. The rails are made from two channels welded together, the inner half had turned to dust, with very little left to cut out. After some measuring up, I had some steel plate cut and folded into channel and fabbed up a replacement section in two pieces, as well as copies of the parking brake brackets. I made the replacement channel twice as deep as the original to reinforce the whole section. The rusty bits in the picture are the only substantial bits left from cutting the rot out.
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0147.jpg)
After much careful trimming, the new pieces fit like a glove and are in situ ready for welding
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0153.jpg)
Luckily, there's not a lot of floor left, so welding along the top from above is a doddle, but not looking forward to welding the rest of it upside down :die:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0173.jpg)
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stuck for words that arn't sarcastic...
At least you will now have the peace of mind that it will structurally be strong
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In case you're wondering why I haven't taken the tub off as per conventional thinking. Well....apart from the usual issue of workshop space, it's so bendy at the moment that the best place for it is on the chassis, I have repro floor pan parts on the way from Classic enterprises in the 'states http://www.classicent.com/ and having the body in position on the chassis will help square it up and get the mountings aligned properly first time.
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Love it. nice original jeep you have there don't see many like that. And a nice job your doing on the chassis repairs, keep up the good work!
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Got the parts in for the floor from Classic Enterprises in Wisconsin. Nicely hand made panels in heavy gauge steel. After a lot of fettling and welding, no more Fred Flinstone floor :003:
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youve missed a bit!!!!
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nice
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youve missed a bit!!!!
Plenty left to do. Will be glad to put the welding gear away sometime in the distant future :icon_biggrin:
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Lots of work involved there and the pictures never quite show the hours, sweat and burns.
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i always find that i start by spot welding, which is perfectly adequate then it leads to seam welding. Joggler pliers was my best purchase for sheet metal work
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Underneath shot. Difficult to photograph because of all the shiny metal, but you can see all the support members on the bottom of the floorpan have been replaced as well. Got one more rotten mount on the rear corner of the tub left to fix and the body is officially sound again :greggmo:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0208.jpg) (http://s1227.photobucket.com/user/mikepavelin/media/PTDC0208.jpg.html)
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Some great work you've done there...it's great to see another one being saved. Trouble is seeing this I regret selling my old CJ7....what's even worse is that I see it everyday as the guy who bought it lives just round the corner...!
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good work
will be cool when done
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Been a long time updating, but have been beavering away at all the shitty jobs underneath and losing the will to live on a regular basis. Finally got hold of another crossmember.....
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0325.jpg)
Finished the repairs and cleaned up the underside....
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0331.jpg)
Tidied the 258.......
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0348.jpg)
And sorted the floor inside.
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0383_1.jpg)
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0390.jpg)
Now to start on the outside.....
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That looks like new!
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That's a great job you're doing there! :icon_biggrin:
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Pretty
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12 hours hard graft today........
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That has definitely been Tango'd! Nice work from the look of it - hope there's no "orange peel" effect in the paint? :icon_winkle: :icon_biggrin:
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Excellent work, however you do know that
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Do you Yorkshire folk have nothing better to do on frozen nights? The whippets should be chaining at their leashes and the Aunt Bessies cooking in t oven
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It's a good feeling when you can pull the masking take off after a job well done. Remember that with mine.
Nice one Mike :023:
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looking good and loving the plain steel wheels i keep looking but never find any
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There's a '56 CJ5 on Ebay with a set included. £1500 no bids last time I saw it.
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More progress. Lighting all operational up front and looking as the good Lord intended. no gaypods on this baby.....
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0434.jpg)
Fitting up parts as I find them, the pile is now getting smaller. Fitted new original style mirrors with the weird looking asymmetric arms. They are reversed for RHD so had to use the arms from the originals as all the replacements are for LHD. If you use a LHD arm on the nearside you can see bugger all in it. The correct style mirror is viewed through the windscreen, and is surprisingly effective.
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0447.jpg)
Junked the 1980s trailer lights scattered all over the back and tidied it up with new YJ tail lights and a Yamaha R6 number plate lamp. It's '81 registered, so had to tuck a rear fog lamp under the bumper.
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0450.jpg)
Scored an 'as new' used Bestop and doors on the 'bay a while ago. Finally got to find out if it was all there. Wheels are looking a bit teeny now. 7Jx15 with 30 year old tyres in a wierd American size that works out to 235/75R15. Must resist the urge to go bigger. Will powder coat original rims in whire. Considering stock size tyres , possibly Bridgestone Duellers with white lettering, or does Birty think I should stick to black sidewalls?
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0449.jpg)
Engine bay is all back together, could take more detailing, but I'm not that anal, looks nice enough for now. Finding a battery that fits nicely is a challenge. The RHD tray is basically the LHD one turned end on, with the supports chopped off and re welded to the long sides. This limits what you can get in there and secure using the stock clamp. After a bit of measuring and some trial and error, I found that an 078 fits, and should be man enough for the job.
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0452.jpg)
Cabin is nice and clean. No nasty mod cons here, although it has had an aftermarket Smiths heater fitted from new, which looks disturbingly like a L*nd Ro**r one.
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0445.jpg)
Jobs left to do? Tidy up the wheel carrier (need 2 wheel studs if anyone has a couple) Powder coat wheels and get new tyres, Fit bonnet hardware when it eventually arrives from Jeepey Mart, Ditto new fuel gauge, sort out wayward steering or get self cleaning pants, do the mother of all rustproofing jobs underneath and get an MoT, which shouldn't be too much of an issue :003: Going to fit an early YJ roll bar mainly for the convenience of having decent modern seat belts as well.
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More good work! :icon_biggrin:
Is the heater something similar to this?
http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/all-in-one-compact-car-heater-with-vents-and-valve
I'm sure Smiths made a generic heater many moons ago that Land Rover used a version of as a standard fit as did many other manufacturers before heaters became standard issue in cars. Who knows, it may have been a dealer option when yours was first sold and as such could be considered original.
I doubt the supplying dealer is still in existence now and even if they are, the chances of 35 year old records being kept or the employee that fitted the heater being there are pretty remote so i'd just enjoy warm hoofs and think of it as original as it was there from new. :icon_biggrin:
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Original brochure shot.... Does Birty consider a matching hard hat and sideburns essential to complete the look? (Yes I know that's a CJ5)
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/Look.jpg)
[/"Hey, pencil neck, get that f**kin' L*nd R**er outa my yard!b]
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More good work! :icon_biggrin:
Is the heater something similar to this?
http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/all-in-one-compact-car-heater-with-vents-and-valve
I'm sure Smiths made a generic heater many moons ago that Land Rover used a version of as a standard fit as did many other manufacturers before heaters became standard issue in cars. Who knows, it may have been a dealer option when yours was first sold and as such could be considered original.
I doubt the supplying dealer is still in existence now and even if they are, the chances of 35 year old records being kept or the employee that fitted the heater being there are pretty remote so i'd just enjoy warm hoofs and think of it as original as it was there from new. :icon_biggrin:
It's a water heated one, definitely a Smiths aftermarket item. It would have been fitted from new. Essential over here, especially to demist the screen. I've never seen a 7 without a factory fitted heater. Mine has no intake grille on the windscreen cowl.
Supplying dealer was possibly Hyde Car Centre in Cheshire. I still have the old windscreen sticker. They were definitely a Jeep dealer in the 1990s when Chrysler Jeep UK took over, but can't say if they sold new Jeeps in the AMC/Renault days of the '80s. They're gone now, does anyone remember them?
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My 6 has a Smiths heater in that was original, it works fine so long as you are stood still if on the move all the drafts from everywhere just neutralise it!.
Some 33s would make it look loads better by the way :icon_winkle:
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Going to fit an early YJ roll bar mainly for the convenience of having decent modern seat belts as well.
It's ready when you are...
£50 sound fair?
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Some 33s would make it look loads better by the way :icon_winkle:
And some black fender flares
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Awesome. 50 notes is fine, I'll come down tomorrow night and get it if you're around. :icon_super:
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if you flog them wheels i would be interested
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Awesome. 50 notes is fine, I'll come down tomorrow night and get it if you're around. :icon_super:
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Before 6:30 or after 8:15
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Original brochure shot.... Does Birty consider a matching hard hat and sideburns essential to complete the look? (Yes I know that's a CJ5)
Sweet Mike :003:
Yes 'the look' is essential. I can supply the new shiny orange skid lid foc. :eusa_dance:
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The smiths heaters in mine are this type.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Smiths-heater-unit-for-1960s-70s-Jeep-Land-Rover-Austin-Gipsy-Good-condition-/370725569293?hash=item5650f7430d&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&nma=true&si=5%252FYCkjlx4nPW5JVQfw0ZcszNwpY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Yeah, that looks like it.
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Awesome. 50 notes is fine, I'll come down tomorrow night and get it if you're around. :icon_super:
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Before 6:30 or after 8:15
OK will try and get down before 6.30.
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Original brochure shot.... Does Birty consider a matching hard hat and sideburns essential to complete the look? (Yes I know that's a CJ5)
Sweet Mike :003:
Yes 'the look' is essential. I can supply the new shiny orange skid lid foc. :eusa_dance:
And the sideburns? :003:
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OK will try and get down before 6.30.
Text me when on the way down. You want the side bars too?
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Nearly there. Got UK's early YJ roll bar installed along with nice new seat belts.
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0457.jpg)
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Time to update your avatar, BTW.
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Cool
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Got those scabby rims blasted, painted them and lobbed on some of Indonesia's finest Forceums and....
Ta-Dah! All done bar cleaning and detailing :003:
(http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/mikepavelin/PTDC0487.jpg)
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Also got the soft top assembled ready for the great British summer....
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:greggmo: :greggmo: :greggmo: Looks Orangey-Cool in a way only a cool, orangey thing can! :greggmo: :greggmo: :greggmo:
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Superb. Very impressive. :greggmo:
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looking good, well done for a resto in such a short time
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:imwitstupid:
Looking good
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Nice
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When can I send mine over now that you are finished yours???? :icon_winkle:
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Looks great, well worth the effort,
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Wow, looking good, all set for the warm rain season.... :icon_biggrin: