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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: fett on May 27, 2014, 11:42:06 AM
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Hi, I am probably being stupid but I couldnt see an introduce yourself thread one of your guys from LZ (ukjeeper) just put me on to you :)
Ive just put money down on a 2000 grand cherokee 4.7 v8 and I have a few questions before I hand over the rest of the cash!
On the test drive I worried about the vcu in the center diff a little ,the car seemed ok on tight turns (full lock tests for cv clicks) in the car park when I drove in in high range but as soon as I put it in low and tried it became very juddery- did it lock the front and rear diffs? just because I put it in low? then when I put it back in high range it remained juddery on tight turns (full lock) although after a while it may have got better when back on the road (hard to tell , only one test drive to go from).
Its on lpg and has done 147k , I dont expect the world as its only a £1200 motor but I just dont want to have to get a new vcu straight away (or at all).
The engine management light is on and the guys says its lpg (omvl mulitpoint system) related , he cleared the fualt code but it reccured with missfire cylinder1, it is a but lumpy at idle and creeping but its doent seem to be missing when revved- I am thinking coil pack or plug- would it be likely more serious? cant even hear a missfire just a bit lumpy, on petrol or gas. I will invest in the obd reader when I have the car.
Steering was fairly heavy, and did clunk- I am thinking steering stabiliser but is it likely to be anything worse?
Final thought was it was hot when I tested it but as far as I could see the expansion tank just had clear water in it (couldnt open the rad cap as too hot) is this the sign of them hiding hgf or the like or just cheap lazy people? I will check int he rad before the rest of the cash goes down.
I will probably have to pay for this tomorrow or the next day so speedy replies much appreciated while I am on my jeep learning curve.
Many thanks
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Welcome! :icon_super:
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Thanks mate :)
lets hope some guys on here can help :icon_eek:
:p
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Safe to say they'll be a lot more helpful than where i found you asking originally... :hysterical:
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ha yeah, blasphamy lol, ive been there a long time-love the banter :D
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Hi there and welcome
Before you pay for this jeep please can I point out that the engine light is an mot fail these days regardless of if its to do with the lpg system and needs to be fixed
Secondly if the engine does not have upper cylinder lubrication system I really would not go ahed with purchase the 4.7 does not like lpg and can be very spensive to fix
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Hi welcome
I would run a way from this jeep
I sounds like it's just about to drop a valve seat or head gasket gone. if the coolant looks clear then it could have been losing coolant. the anti freeze boils of first i think
The transfer case is meant to lock in low but the clicking you hear in hi could be the CV joints about to go.
The steering should not be heavy has it got an after market a heavy duty stabilizer ?
hope that helps
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:iagree: We have had a number of these V8s on the forum and they all have had a few probs.....as said yours looks like its about to show its colours in major stylee"
Run away and look for a 4.0 litre they last an age (400,000) according to our USA friends they like LPG and if you get an Unmodified one you have no clunking and stuff. The steering will be easy and transmission and transfer case woes will not occur.
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Thanks guys, but I like v8s :) Hard to get a six for me but I dont want trouble
Thanks for the advice ok so you think the need flashlube or the likes? yeah it didnt have that- would the 4 liter need flashlube?
There was no clicking on full lock, thats just what I was listening for on full lock when It started juddering, should it do that in hi range too? How do the front and rear diffs know to lock?
I do want a petrol and lpg model I went for 2000 model as its the first year before road tax hike that had a v8.
Oh dear I dont know what to do now lol, its only just round the corner too
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Offer him half the cash and keep £600 in your pocket to sort it out.......simpels :003:
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Ha ha, well it was 1k or £1200 with an mot which hes doing as it only had 2 months left on it.
it sure is hard to find a good one!
I wish I knew what was going on inside that engine, the and if guys could tell me if the gearbox /transfer box is ok and how it works?
Ive had/got landies and troopers but it seems to be differnt on these is it mechanical lsd's front and rear?
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I have been running a4.0 litre on LPG ......no flash lube for 8 years........motorway and offroad abuse.......currently in my trailer queen drive it like you stole it and no probs with engine or LPG.
It is possible to put the simpler and stronger 231 wrangler transfer case in but you don't want to have to eff around with a new to you truck....... Unless as said you're getting it for loose change.
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$64, 000 question is-
Can you actually prise your deposit back out of the sellers fingers without having to resort to desperate measures :017:
The Power Tech V8 has a rep for being intolerant of LPG.
Not saying you can't successfully run on LPG but it needs to be done with care.
The straight six engine has gained the nickname "Anvil" in the US
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Another vote for the 4L on BBQ gas from me. Had an XJ Cherokee for several years without a single problem with the engine, or LPG. I'd probably still have it if it hadn't been nailed by a Czech 18 wheeler.
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Thanks everyone, he has ust told me its had a new balljoint for the mot, which would explain the clonk I guess.
My question about the transfer case etc is does it sound like its working properly?
it does have a nice mulitpoint lpg system on it, its just whether it its cooked the engine although its been on lpg since 2008 according to the paperwork, the tanks valid untill 2017.
If I look in the rad and its nice red or green coolant in there is the motor ok lpgwise or still not proof enough?
I have the deposite, as he has not cashed the cheque and they take 7 days to clear :D
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it sure is hard to find a good one!
Not that hard, there's (at least) two V8 LPG Grand Cherks on the bay right now for the same money, and some nice choices on Autotrader for not much more. But i do agree with the guys about considering a 4L if you're going to run BBQ fuel.
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Thanks are they resonably local (hampshire) and 2000 models? I couldnt see more that were in better shape, this one is tidy bar the bonnet lol
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Thanks guys, but I like v8s :) ......
:icon_super: good man
one small thing to add - if its like my DD I just turn the LPG off for a few days prior to an MOT and the management light disappears (its also a misfire on cyl 1) - no probs on the MOT
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Re the juddering in low range, are you supposed to use low range / tight turns on a hard surface ?
Not sure about your set up but thought that was only on loose surfaces ?
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and when I got back in to high range and less lock it still did it?
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Hi there and welcome
Before you pay for this jeep please can I point out that the engine light is an mot fail these days regardless of if its to do with the lpg system and needs to be fixed
Secondly if the engine does not have upper cylinder lubrication system I really would not go ahed with purchase the 4.7 does not like lpg and can be very spensive to fix
Engine light isn't an MoT item, but if it has a misfire, I'd run away. 4.7s have a nasty habit of dropping valve seats out on LPG.
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I am leaning that way now after all you guys have said, is there any way to start a poll on here? :D
I really want a v8 on lpg though :die:
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FYI, Dr Mike (Pavelin) used to be a Jeep stealership Mechanic (a good one!) and knows his shiat. If he (as well as many others) say "run", then you'd be well advised to do that.
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Im hearing you on FM!
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Buy a ZJ with a Chrysler Magnum V8.
A real V8 with the camshaft where it should be.
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Im hearing you on FM!
I hope that's thru headphones while you are running away ! honestly we all love v8's but in the case of the 4.7, walk away.
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Nah not magnum, Hemis the real one- just too expensive for my toy runabout
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Im hearing you on FM!
I hope that's thru headphones while you are running away ! honestly we all love v8's but in the case of the 4.7, walk away.
All 4.7's that bad?
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Hi there and welcome
Before you pay for this jeep please can I point out that the engine light is an mot fail these days regardless of if its to do with the lpg system and needs to be fixed
Secondly if the engine does not have upper cylinder lubrication system I really would not go ahed with purchase the 4.7 does not like lpg and can be very spensive to fix
Engine light isn't an MoT item, but if it has a misfire, I'd run away. 4.7s have a nasty habit of dropping valve seats out on LPG.
interesting one there mike i was told that this year no warning lights were allowed to be on at point of mot has my mot chap got confused ?
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willo has a magnum v8
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Right misfire on cylinder one, could be a coil pack or it could be valve seat recession or unseated valve seat. Ask me how I know - I had a 2002 V8 on LPG with flash lube. Awesome machine though and I loved it. With no flash lube on the V8 I would walk away. Jedi had inoperative flash lube and screwed his engine. FYI my 2002 V8 was £265 a year to tax
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Right misfire on cylinder one, could be a coil pack or it could be valve seat recession or unseated valve seat. Ask me how I know - I had a 2002 V8 on LPG with flash lube. Awesome machine though and I loved it. With no flash lube on the V8 I would walk away. Jedi had inoperative flash lube and screwed his engine. FYI my 2002 V8 was £265 a year to tax
Thanks, I think that settles that one sadly- let me know if anyone sees a 99 or 2000 v8 with flashlube, or another v8 that cheap :003:
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Thanks, I think that settles that one sadly- let me know if anyone sees a 99 or 2000 v8 with flashlube, or another v8 that cheap :003:
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What is the tax on a 2000 model? The jeep v8 as standard it's a refined machine, you need a cherry bomb silencer to release the burble. Ideally if you can find one that has lpg service stamps as well as it's amazing how mucky and LPG filter gets.
I sold my 2002 late last year with 100k on it. It was in exceptional condition with an iron rock 3inch lift and got £3500 for it. Rebuilt top half the engine, lpg was 2yrs old and I had it fitted, fully serviced.
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Ok sale cancelled and no money lost, shame though. if people see an appropriate replacement please let me know- thanks so much for all the advice guys :icon_biggrin:
The tax on a 2000 is 225 btw
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Had a feeling they would steer you straight. Shame to miss out, but sometimes it's knowing when to walk away.
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Had a feeling they would steer you straight. Shame to miss out, but sometimes it's knowing when to walk away.
always worth taking the advice, but it is a shame
I did wonder about that 06 hemi on ebay a while back with the cooked engine and then fitting a used hemi from ebay but I am not great with wiring so maybe a bridge to far, its gone now anyway hey ho
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If you don't mind going mid 90's there are a few v8 5.2s and if you're very lucky 5.9s floating around.
All left hand drive and all as bullet proof as the 4 litre.
Willo on here had one.......
If ya got some wedge there's the SRT8 6.0 litre job that's ballistic but think around £12k up
The early v8s will be around £2k
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JEEP-GRAND-CHEROKEE-5-9-V8-AUTO-4WD-LHD-LEFT-HAND-DRIVE-/181354273737?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a398e9bc9
There you go....... 5.9 as well :icon_super:
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feckin ell, if that was on lpg I would have bought it now!
I love it, a hemi is way to expensive so thats ideal!
I preffered lhd when in the sates as I got a bad arm and its better for it.
If anyone sees one on lpg let me know , also what to look out for when inspecting them
Many thanks
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Hmmm.
Asking £2400 for a tidy one.
So how much for one that has been pranged or rolled :017:
5.9 V8 with tuned port injection 230 - 250 Bhp and computer controlled transmission.
Lateral thinking applied.
Complete power train transplant into J series Cherokee. :ace:
Cheaper than a TBI kit and you don't need a degree in electrical engineering to fit it.
Even looks like those leather seats might fit.
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And here's me being helpful.....
I have a multipoint LPG system and big 80 litre tank on the 1 Tonne......used to be a road going YJ
Yes I know it's only got 6 pots not the manly 8 but it's got to be a simple 2 more injectors and
A reflash of the little ECU thing.
I'm going to remove the whole system....... So it's going cheap or less :icon_twisted:
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If you can fit it, make it work and get me a certificate :)
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:hysterical:I look at the mass of wires and sensors and it fills me with dread....
I reckon I can take. It apart......but then I need a replacement inlet manifold without the holes drilled in it.
Probably a better deal for an adventurous 4.0 litre owner
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So it's going cheap or less
I could be interested in that, especially at the latter price mentioned...
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I hate wires!