Birty Dastards Jeep Club
Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Graham on October 19, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jeep-Wrangler-/331047630577?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d13f9f6f1
Could be an interesting conversion....
There seems to be a few bits not wired up but if it's as simple as suggested, may make a good transplant.
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sort a like that
jeep should have used yota lumps to start with
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Has the potential to be very good.
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O wow the first tj I have seen that I could see myself in
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Stop looking on eBay and get back to those axles mr bubba sir :icon_biggrin:
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Will do again tomorrow
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More than a few TJ's have had Cummins 4bt and 6bt swaps.
Not over here though.
IIRC, the bloke that bought a lot of my SJ bits back in the day had also dropped a Cummins into his Chief. Would make an excellent upgrade for Freddie as i want to use it as a tow rig for the YJ.
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Looks like a pretty sensible conversion to me :eusa_whistle:
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Go on then :jpshakehead: you have talked me into it
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Bloody timing, I would have snapped that up :banghead:
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Looking good - that could be a lot of fun!
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I'm a bit surprised that you guys haven't used these lumps before..uber reliable with the emissions crap blocked off or bypassed.
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The 2.8td Isuzu lump was very popular with the landy boys
Very interested in gearbox/bellhouse conversion
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Hi everyone I thought I'd say hello.
This is actually my brothers TJ & I did the gearbox work for him it's a great conversion.
I also have the same lump in my YJ but mated to aw4 tranny from an XJ, a lot more work but well worth it.
Adam
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Salutations mate :greggmo:
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Welcome.
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Welcome..nice result!
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Very interested in the AW4 conversion
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Welcome and stand back and wait for a tidal wave of questions....... :icon_twisted:
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Thanks to all the welcome party :icon_biggrin:
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Very interested in the AW4 conversion
The Toyota hilux surf 3.0 td uses the aisin warner a343 transmission which is basically the same as the Jeep aw4.
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Will need details on the manual conversion
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For the manual you need the engine & gearbox from a Toyota 4Runner 3.0 td this is the same box as the ax15 found in most 4.0 wranglers.
You need to strip down both gearboxes swap the input shaft & bellhousing & that's about it.
The uk 4Runners also use a mechanical injector pump but the surfs are all fly by wire pumps which is where the auto gets a lot more complicated.
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For the manual you need the engine & gearbox from a Toyota 4Runner 3.0 td this is the same box as the ax15 found in most 4.0 wranglers.
You need to strip down both gearboxes swap the input shaft & bellhousing & that's about it.
The uk 4Runners also use a mechanical injector pump but the surfs are all fly by wire pumps which is where the auto gets a lot more complicated.
Welcome
Clever person
We need more like you to raise the I.Q. :icon_biggrin:
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Very nice like it, how would you get on with putting it down on the log book has a diesel dvla say its petrol
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Very nice like it, how would you get on with putting it down on the log book has a diesel dvla say its petrol
Send off the v5 with fuel & cc change & you may need an inspection but I haven't needed anything yet.
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I have done half a doz engine changes on v5s and as long as they are accompanied by a letter from a garage they so far have sailed through (touch wood)
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accompanied by a letter from a garage
What was the letter about?
sent from me blower using Tapatalk 4
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For the manual you need the engine & gearbox from a Toyota 4Runner 3.0 td this is the same box as the ax15 found in most 4.0 wranglers.
You need to strip down both gearboxes swap the input shaft & bellhousing & that's about it.
The uk 4Runners also use a mechanical injector pump but the surfs are all fly by wire pumps which is where the auto gets a lot more complicated.
Hi adam, nice conversion :greggmo: whats the difference in shafts is one thicker, or longer, or is the pilot bearing a different size, soz for all the questions but i need to know :003:
Geoff.
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accompanied by a letter from a garage
What was the letter about?
sent from me blower using Tapatalk 4
It says that in their opinion the 'new' engine had been in there for a considerable period prior to my purchasing the vehicle
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As you will be using the toyota clutch & flywheel & bellhousing the jeep input shaft it is totally different in splines & length.
If you take your time & strip the toyota box first it's not that hard to do.
If anyone does attempt the conversion I will be glad to offer any advice.
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A 3.0TD in a Cherokee with a manual box and simple electronics sounds like a very good idea and could be quite good on fuel too I suspect. I'm guessing fit should be ok because they squeeze the 6 cylinder 4.0 in there but things are tight under the hood of an XJ.
Are the Toyota manual box bellhousings rare? I know a guy who had a manual Surf and had a struggle to get a starter cos most are autos but I know nothing about Toyota's and their mechanical bits.
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A 3.0TD in a Cherokee with a manual box and simple electronics sounds like a very good idea and could be quite good on fuel too I suspect. I'm guessing fit should be ok because they squeeze the 6 cylinder 4.0 in there but things are tight under the hood of an XJ.
Are the Toyota manual box bellhousings rare? I know a guy who had a manual Surf and had a struggle to get a starter cos most are autos but I know nothing about Toyota's and their mechanical bits.
There should be plenty of room in an xj although the 3.0 is quite bulky for a 4 banger.
The only problem you might come across is the starter motor as it's huge & the left floor pan may be in the way. This is the case on a tj but you just need to notch a small section out of the corner & plate it up.
The 3.0 td bellhousing is one of a kind & only came behind the 1kz-t engine which as far as I know is in the uk model 4runners only.
Another possible option could be a later model hilux with the d4d engine as I'm sure this uses the same block as the 1kz-t & that would make a very interesting but expensive conversion.
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Good Question kev
MAY BE Liking this myself, await kevs query
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If you wanted to do the auto version it would be very simple using the 340f from a surf and the tail housing from a aw4 to mate to the jeep t case
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Also by the same reasoning you can use fit a lexus 4.0 v8 to the aw4/a340f, and even more interesting is that if you want to ditch the junk jeep axles you can fit a surf t/case behind your jeep transmission to give drivers drop front axle and a world of available strong axles
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I have done this to my yj but i swapped the bellhousing, input shaft & wiring etc to toyota.
I'm sure there was a reason why I didn't swap the tail housing but I can't remember.
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If you do remember would you let me know because im just about to start building a box ready to go in my buggy that will include parts from the two. Cheers
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Interesting stuff, my mind is whirring.
Are you running a Lexus v8 and AW4 in the buggy at the moment?
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My lexus has its origonal a341e a variant of the aw4 so kind of yes.
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This is all getting a bit good as tech threads go and I am thinking that a Lexus robbed of its heart could be a cheaper way to re engine a buggy type TJ thing than going the usual SBC 700 R4 route.
Keep it going guys..... Taking notes here and pricing up the parts :icon_biggrin: :icon_twisted:
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:iagree: the kit car lot like the lexus and there are a lot of conversion about
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The Lexus can fit to the AW4 XJ autobox , it's the wiring that needs to work. At least that's what I have seen around and about doing research. I know people swap AW4 boxes into other stuff so presumably it's not too hard to find out what signal inputs they need to work.
Interesting to think about, especially the transfer case meaning rh drop axles could work? Plus LS400s and Surfs aren't mega bucks for parts donors. Are the transfer cases much good?
I think I may have to medicate myself, getting totally carried away :icon_eek:
This needs to be shifted to Workshop, we just need a competent Mod :hysterical:
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The wiring is very simple, the link wilwood posted to earlier explains most of it. RA designs have many options that are not stupid money. Go on wilwood you know it makes sense, I am very impressed with the lexus in the buggy so far.
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:ace: super thread
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hi, got the chance of a 3.0 td and autobox with transfer box, would the lot fit in a Jeep Wrangler ? Its a 2.5 petrol I have, I think the gearbox is different from the 4litre ? but then I would need to find a flywheel and clutch assembly etc...
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:icon_eek: Holy thread revival Batman!