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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: prophead on December 19, 2005, 10:53:27 PM

Title: Differential
Post by: prophead on December 19, 2005, 10:53:27 PM
Hi all

I have a 96 p reg 4.0ltd Grand Cherokee.

The diff has been groaning more and more on the motorway and when i am turning sharply and slow in a car park etc it feels like its locking/crunching and the wheels are bouncing.

Ive resigned myself to the fact that i need a new diff and i would like to source the parts myself then take them to someone to repair.

Which of the following would i need please:

http://http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JEEP-AXLE-LIMITED-SLIP-DIFFERENTIAL-REBUILD-KIT_W0QQitemZ8022535543QQcategoryZ9886QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JEEP-CHEROKEE-AXLE-DIFFERENTIAL-REBUILD-KIT_W0QQitemZ8021899066QQcategoryZ9886QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Also is there any chance this job can be done by a novice mechanic or should i take it somewhere?

and would i also need this:

http://http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JEEP-CHEROKEE-AXLE-REBUILD-KIT-TIMKEN-BEARINGS_W0QQitemZ4597590745QQcategoryZ116508QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Regards

Mike
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Post by: chrisjones on December 19, 2005, 11:25:40 PM
The first thing to try is change the oil (don't forget the friction modifier).

This can quite often cure strange noises from the LSD.

If that doesn't work then you probably need a new clutch pack. It's unlikely that it is the ring and pinion.

I'm not sure exactly what parts you'll need to do the job, but there are others on here that will.

Try an oil change first though. :wink:
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Post by: greggmo on December 19, 2005, 11:27:36 PM
hi there. it might pay ya to just order a re-build kit direct from the states, i.e 4wd hardware or maybe quadratech. i would say the lsd is shot though.
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Post by: prophead on December 20, 2005, 12:19:28 AM
Thanks for the replies.

Is this what i need, will parts bought from the USA fit a european built Jeep?

Regards

Mike
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Post by: prophead on December 20, 2005, 12:19:54 AM
Thanks for the replies.

Is this what i need, will parts bought from the USA fit a european built Jeep?

http://http://www.quadratec.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?T1=52419+56&UREQA=1&UREQB=2&FNM=14&checked=Y

Regards

Mike
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Post by: greggmo on December 20, 2005, 12:44:20 AM
nope. i recon you will have a d35 axle with tracklock. but dont quote me on that. you will need a lsd re-build kit. the kit will have a set of lsd clutch discs in it and all the bearings and stuff. it is quite a job though i should think.
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Post by: daggie on December 20, 2005, 05:10:14 AM
if you want to source parts for the axle in the uk
lighthouse jeep 01953 681237 are a lot cheaper :wink:
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Post by: Mike Pavelin on December 20, 2005, 08:08:51 AM
Groaning on tight turns is usually down to the TracLoc LSD.

If the Jeep is difficult to steer and really hopping on tight turns the viscous coupling in the transfer case may have siezed.

Get yourself a litre of 75W90 GL5 gear oil and a bottle of Mopar friction modifier.

Take the rear cover off (with a tray underneath to catch the oil). If the oil is fill of metallic particles (like glitter) your bearings are on the way out.

If the oil isn't contaminated with metal debris, refit the cover (seal with RTV silicone) and add the oil and additive. Drive the Jeep to the pub car park and drive some tight figures of eight to disribute the new lubricant around the clutch discs. If the problem is still there, you need to either replace the clutch disc package, or worst case, replace the diff carrier assembly complete.

Any further repairs require substantial dismantling of the rear axle. To remove and refit the diff carrier assembly, a special stretcher is required to open up the housing , releasing the preload on the bearings (although there are ways round this) and replacement of the clutch disc package is difficult but not impossible without the right tools. Although you can normally get away with replacing the carrier bearings without messing up the setup of the diff, replacing the pinion bearings, diff carrier or ring and pinion require specialist skills and equipment.

If you're not confident and equipped to do the job, I'd change the oil and if it needs further work entrust the job to a Jeep specialist or transmission shop. Don't be tempted to let any old garage loose on it unless you're confident they know their Jeeps or are transmission specialists. Don't go buying loads of expensive parts in advance. Get them to do the diagnosis first, then if they get it wrong, it's their problem. As a rule of thumb, to rebuild a Dana 35 rear axle should cost you around 4 or 5 hours labour at local rates plus parts and oils.
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Post by: monkeybiz on December 20, 2005, 08:41:03 AM
mail mik as he rebuilds them for most of the suppliers anyway