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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Dave69 on November 13, 2011, 11:34:33 AM

Title: LPG Tank
Post by: Dave69 on November 13, 2011, 11:34:33 AM
Just a query

with the round LPG tanks, are they specific in their installation or can you fit them in any orientation?
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: wildwood on November 13, 2011, 11:53:45 AM
Can be fitted in wheel well or stood upright in place where spare stands.................. or so I've seen.
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Post by: supersparks on November 13, 2011, 08:09:12 PM
ideally they should be installed laid down, then the liquid level indicator will work correctly and the liquid pickup pipe will also be in the right place.
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Post by: momos on November 13, 2011, 09:41:05 PM
 :iagree:
although the sensor that indicates levels usually gives you a big  :wave-fingersmiely:
I always try to work out my miles so i dont run out...too often 
underslung with plate was best for us as we needed the space  :icon_biggrin:
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Post by: Bishops Finger on November 13, 2011, 10:39:07 PM
Chucked over the hedge is  a good hiding place....
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Post by: jay140285 on November 13, 2011, 11:52:40 PM
Yea yea Bish!

Mine is in spare wheel well. So no loss of space.
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: Dave69 on November 14, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
i wouldn't have expected a positive answer from you Bish,

just wondering if a conventional spare wheel tank could be rotated to the vertical position with no issues
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Post by: Panic mechanic! on November 14, 2011, 01:19:08 PM
as said the only prob will be the fuel guage.
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: jay140285 on November 14, 2011, 01:43:54 PM
as said the only prob will be the fuel gauge.

 :lol_hitting: your gauge don't work anyway Rob!
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Post by: JamesH on November 14, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
I've seen one fitted like that in an XJ but I don't know the technicalities behind installing one like that. My fuel gauge hasn't work for the last 50k miles on LPG, I just count miles and quite a few times I run out and do a few miles on petrol to get to the station, fill up and am back running on LPG again. Putting a bit of proper fuel back through the system is probably quite good for it.

Have heard there may be issue running out of fuel when using a single point LPG system though?
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: Panic mechanic! on November 14, 2011, 02:43:21 PM
I know a few people who have run out of gas on single point and had problems wit rough running directly after, this I think usually comes down to the fact they have not had the system serviced regularly and thats where the problem lies, they forget there  re filters in the system that need changing on a regular basis.
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Post by: donk498 on November 14, 2011, 06:53:36 PM
I'm running single point on the xj and, although you may be suprised, i run out quite frequently with no ill effects. Just a loss of useable revs until it doesn't move. Fill up and alls good until the next time, which happens a lot as i have no gauge.
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Post by: Nosebolt on November 14, 2011, 07:43:10 PM
used to have no gauge on one of my Nivas, just used a stick to dip the tank.

like to see someone try that with LPG :hysterical:
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Post by: wildrover on November 14, 2011, 09:14:22 PM
Last year i was in a garage in Poland , and this guy came in for some fuel....his car had run out of fuel a few kms down the road...

He produced two large pop bottles...  not a problem in Poland , they will put you fuel in just about anything , apart from a paper bag....

BUT..!    the guy wanted lpg...?

god knows how he was going to get the lpg from the bottle into the car...?

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Post by: momos on November 14, 2011, 09:17:42 PM
thats why you can get giant whopee cushions now
 :banghead: hehehe
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Post by: Bishops Finger on November 15, 2011, 12:06:03 AM
Yea yea Bish!

Mine is in spare wheel well. So no loss of space.

So that big black round thingy on an alloy wheel has mysteriously vanished into thin air..... :hysterical:
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Post by: Panic mechanic! on November 15, 2011, 12:27:15 AM
what you got to ask is when did you last get a puncture,for me it was october 2008,in the lorry  when i worked with bubba.So no real hardship not carrying one all the time.Just throw in a spare when you go playing.......simples.
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Post by: wildrover on November 15, 2011, 01:10:03 AM
what you got to ask is when did you last get a puncture..?

Err... 7.30 this morning...on a deserted freezing track through the foggy Polish forest towing a trailor full of boxes....

I had a spare , but had taken my ammo box with jack and tools in out of the car to get more boxes in...  sat there for three hours watching the wild boar wandering past till my mate turned up with some tools...

Ironic it was the first time i had driven without all the tools needed to change a wheel...!
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Post by: jay140285 on November 15, 2011, 09:49:35 AM
what you got to ask is when did you last get a puncture,for me it was october 2008,in the lorry  when i worked with bubba.So no real hardship not carrying one all the time.Just throw in a spare when you go playing.......simples.

2006 for me, seat lean only 2weeks old with stupidly low profiles on it. Puncture and had to replace the tire at £200.

Only take the spare if going on a long run somewhere with caravan.

Hey, what's the worst that can happen and most new cars don't have them anyway now.
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: Dave69 on November 15, 2011, 01:07:29 PM
after a bit of digging around, the spare wheel variety (horizontal) are designed for that form of installation. if they are rotated to sit vertical then even though they still work they could invalidate the insurance as they are not installed in the manner they were designed for.
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: supersparks on November 15, 2011, 09:44:25 PM
if your gas system does not have a pressure sensing valve and most single point systems dont ,when the lpg tank runs empty, for a short period of time the engine will run lean which is not a real problem as it is usually only for a few seconds
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: Bishops Finger on November 15, 2011, 11:34:43 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.use proper fuel
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: Dave69 on November 17, 2011, 06:33:41 PM
yep your totally right but i used to spend more of fuel per month than people paid motgages and now with a serious pay cut due to a permenant job the dual fuel route has to be seriously considered if i want to keep the jeep
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Post by: Bubba on November 17, 2011, 09:48:52 PM
sas jeeps in kiddy are advertising hydrogen fuel cell conversions no tanks aparantly
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Post by: Bulldog67 on November 17, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
tell us more

coz they say little:

http://jeepbits.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=50 (http://jeepbits.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=50)
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Post by: scrw on November 17, 2011, 11:27:30 PM
 :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:
Title: Re: LPG Tank
Post by: Dave69 on November 18, 2011, 08:55:20 PM
if no tanks then where do you store the hydrogen ?
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Post by: Panic mechanic! on November 18, 2011, 09:56:08 PM
this is an old idea, all it does is improve burn within the cylinder so you theoretically use less fuel.
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Post by: Panic mechanic! on November 18, 2011, 09:58:48 PM
hydrogen generator finally proven; pt 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsvpV5-493k#)