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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: jay140285 on January 25, 2012, 01:16:22 PM
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Afternoon all,
First off, I brought a Petrol for a reason - reliability.
So MIL CRD wont start, when I was messing with the TCM, I also noticed both no1 and 2 injectors leaking.
Plus there is no glow plug light coming on in the dash,
Now the Jeep wont start, going over later to jump it and go for a run but will the injectors put more strain on starting and why no glow plug light?
I have checked the replays and they all work ok.
Cheers
James
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see if you can pull any codes, then set fire to it
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Leaking injector will not affect starting or running.
It just spreads gunk and a nasty smell.
So must be something else unrelated. Check fuses for glow plug.
Don't set fire to it yet.
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Wasn't showing any codes,
I will check fuses when I go over later.
At least I know its not the injectors causing the laboured starting.
Without the glow plugs working that would put a strain on it would it?
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no glowplugs would make it difficult to start, but unless its bloody cold it should still start. Burn it :jump_125:
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It has been staring after a few cranks of the engine, but as they are only doing very short runs 2 or 3 mile at most its not getting any charge.
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Think my 90 is the same,as it had a swap over from petrol to 300tdi i dont think the glow plugs get heated and that can take a bit of turning over to start,and of course diesels take more power starting especially when colder so im guessing if they arent doing any distance the battery is slowly losing charge
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Ok, so if tonight all fuses for the glow plugs are ok, and I know the relays are working.
What's next for the lack of glow plug light?
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but as they are only doing very short runs 2 or 3 mile at most
That will kill any diesel by default :icon_sad:
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but as they are only doing very short runs 2 or 3 mile at most
That will kill any diesel by default :icon_sad:
My response of walk to work didn't go down well!!!
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Right, glow plugs ok and light on dash is now working ok.
But still won't start, not even trying. Tried to jump it, even put my new battery on it and still nothing.
Dash lights are bright and don't dim when the key is turned.
Could the immobiliser be causing an issue as the battery has been off for a few days charging?
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Mine has never had an issue after a flat battery, if the key isn't reading correctly the yellow key light stays on
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No key light goes out. Rob suggested Starter motor wiring / motor could be at fault.
Its gone from starting, all be it struggling at times no nothing.
Thoughts?
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No dim lights would say that starters not drawing any power.If immobilser would it turn over but not start or does the immobiliser cut power to the starter?.What about checking battery/earth connections
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Deos it have a genuine diesel filter?
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Earth ok, battery put mine in it so that's ok.
Going to get the AA out to fault find on friday when MIL is off work. I can them progress what they find hopefully.
Unless someone can give me more things to fault find.
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i think they are more interested in your drinking habits dood, goood luck :greggmo:
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Does it - crank over on the starter?
Does it - spluter on attempted starting?
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IOM - no neither, does even attempt to try.
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CRD runs at a stupid pressure to give atomise the diesel making running easier and more efficient, advice is don't crack the injector pipes while cranking and someone in close proximity.
glow plugs on a CRD are only effective when the temperature is below -5 deg C. shouldn't need them at these current temperatures
if the key isn't doing anything then i would be considering the imobiliser system having a problem. Try boosting the battery with a jump to see if it will be enough to kick the immobiliser into life. some of these modern engines will not fire unless a minimum voltage is seen.
probably totally useless but another idea
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Tried all the battery option and boosting. That's not the cause.
Key is ok, as the immobiliser / key malfunction lights goes out so that's not at fault.
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Ok back to basics.....
Get multimeter and set to volts put on battery positive POST and check volts - attempt to crank engine and measure volts - same process but from the clamp/wire after battery post.
Now with said multimeter set to continuity and do the same battery POST check with the earth - now check with body earth on cranking.
what are the readings?
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Arse, back home now. Will get MIL's partner to do it tomorrow Peter. He is a sparky so should be able to cope with it.
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When my diesal Jeep did this....
It was a fuse that had blown... Took me ages to suss it , as the handbook said that particular fuse was for the lights...it wasn,t it was for the ignition circuit....
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I have removed every fuse in the PCM and under the dash, not one was blown.
Suggested IOM earth checks, but MIL - Partner was perplexed so will have to wait for me or the AA to take a further look.
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Starter motor goosed, and battery on last legs which I suspected as its the original.
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Result :icon_super:
No need to burn it then :greggmo:
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Not just yet.
How easy is the Starter to Change?
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If its like a 2.5td XJ keep the matches handy :hysterical:
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If its like a 2.5td XJ keep the matches handy :hysterical:
Well its now parked on my bloody drive, AA Said did she want it recovered anywhere for repairs.
Is £80 a decent price to have it reconditioned?
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sounds a fair price, you could always do it yourself, its probably only the brushes that are gone.
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sounds a fair price, you could always do it yourself, its probably only the brushes that are gone.
Where would I get the Brushes from mate.
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strip it down and take them to the same place that re conditions them, I know a place over by yardley wood that rebuilds them Goodwins 0121 778 6339 give them a bell.
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£80 sounds good, I paid over £100 for my 4.0 XJ one. IMO it's not worth the hassle of rebuilding them unless you enjoy it or a replacement is very expensive.
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Theres a guy in Studley,used to be very good and dirt cheap.Havnt been there in years but i know hes still there as he works from home 30A Node Hill B80 7RG 01527853463
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Cheers Guys.
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bw rogers firs trading estate kiddy
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is it an espace in disguise?
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Bloody feels like it BD.
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Sorted, Starter motor was full of grimy diesel from the rather leaky injector.
It diesel had burnt and mullered the starter.
injector been done on Tuesday once seals arrive.
Bloody CRD.
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And its off the road again!!!!
Injector one that was leaking is for a reason.
Gone to remove the retaining bolt and its not the correct bolt, and its short. The reason been there is 1/2 a broken bolt in the head.
Retaining bolt to injector 2 removed and with it came most of the thread.
Bloody CRD's.
Where are those matches.
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I don't live where I used to ok...... changed my number........ don't know you. :lol_hitting:
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I have trackers on you mate, I can always find you!!
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so thats what that whistles for.......... :098:
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Yep, you thought you had a cracked manifold. Its so I know where you are :wave-fingersmiely:
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panic will sort it
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He is good like that kev, he enjoys it.
One day he will sort his own cars out.
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i have total faith in him
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when did you manage to capture Rob in his dressing gown!!!
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bubba you owe me a new laptop! pmsl
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just found the tool he needs....... just throwing it the window so I no longer own one, ( its not the first fucked thread I have found on that engine lol)
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And prob not the last mate, I have got there thread tool for injector 2, just got to get no 1 retaining bolt out where its been previously snapped.
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thats the tool I have just thrown out the window.
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Kev, if it was mine.
But it isnt and they have spend a few £££ on it recently hence getting it sorted.
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I have a wj/pt cruiser for sale lol does that help?
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Once again we have it back up and running.
Both number 1 & 2 injectors had to be removed and the bolts drilled / threads re cored and threaded.
Then had a a draining battery issue. Rob mentioned check the key isn't warn.
Indeed it was and can be removed from the ignition whilst running.
They were turning the key one stage to far and leaving the electrics live.
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And tonight I could have been seen towing one CRD WJ off my V8 WJ.
Fucking hunk of Junk diesel broken again.
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Having not much joy you are :icon_sad:
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ok so the symptoms are.........
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Oh dear.......
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Symptoms - No2 injector had popped clean out the head.
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Somebody has royally foooooked up that truck......nothin' do do with quality in general :sign0023:
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FIX & SELL - some cars just aint worth owning
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What is the head made from on the CRD?
It appears as if the head has become soft as the oil separator on the top had problems when re fixing in place a while ago.
Its as if the metal has become unable to hold bolts in place.
BD - that's the decision they have come to I think, cut their losses but I want to get it running ok first and not just pass on a multitude of problems.
It will be sold fairly cheap I would think though.
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its called idiot with no torque wrench or mechanical ability previously working on it, they have just stripped the threads on everything.
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its called idiot with no torque wrench or mechanical ability previously working on it, they have just stripped the threads on everything.
so in the past a :wsmile: has worked on it. (not you Rob, before their ownership).
Get running and get rid then.
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er yes.
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this truck is :die: