Birty Dastards Jeep Club
Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Bubba on May 08, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
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so can it true that there effectivly is a use by date on the gas tank slung under your truck ? and its now part of the mot and the world will end at 6pm next thursday just after i have eaten my tea ?
it would seem so but i dont know myself about such things
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Whatcha talkin bout Willis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k#)
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unsure about it being an MOT test item but yes they have a lifespan, about 10 years IIRC, unsure if you can get them re certified or not
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no idea was told might need new tanks ? and its now mot and has to be on a register held by god who will strike you dead if its not on this register
funny thing is i never heard of gas tanks only havin a ten year life my bro has had one on his central heating well over 20yrs same with fork lifts
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its all revenue generating bollocks
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funny thing is i never heard of gas tanks only havin a ten year life my bro has had one on his central heating well over 20yrs same with fork lifts
yes but I doubt , your brothers central heating system is hung under a vehicle and sprayed with salt every winter or covered in damp mud,and left to rust. Central heating systems aren't checked cos they are generally serviced on a regular basis and kept in decent environment, as for fork lifts, the gas tanks are of the re usable type so hence the supplier scraps them when they are out of date, hence all the ones that end up in scrap yards, if they pikeys don't get them first.
the other thing is the life is not just 10 years , it just needs to be pressure tested and re certified in much the same way that boilers on traction engines have to be checked, its just usually more normal for them to be replaced as its generally cheaper to do.
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indeed this may be the case i am unsure as to how wide this info is known as its very new to me
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i dont doubt the info cas any bad news that can cost me cash i dont have or generaly fuck my plans up tends to be true
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it costs us all usually and usually when we don't have the spare dosh to sort it.
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well trust me i have no cash to spare and my daughters are eroding what i have with unexpected costs that are frankly putting the whole plan in real jeapardy i dont want to fail on this but its dodgey
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The date on the tank isn't mentioned at http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_720.htm (http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_720.htm) just leaks.
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From what I have been lead to beleive when you take the vehicle for the MOT you will have to show the tester a valid installation certificate or it will have to be registered on the drivelpg website ( as lpg certificates are no longer issued), hence if the date of installation , if over 10 years old will not be valid and the tanks will be out of date, so it will need to be re tested.
This is what the friendly womble told us at the limo company as they were looking to get a older limo fitted with lpg but then vosa have never been wrong have they?
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What a load of old bollox. Mine's not on the register, has a dodgy certificate that anyone could have knocked up and printed out and I've never been asked for either for insurance and that's with several different companies.
Haven't heard anything about tank lifespan but seeing as my XJ has went through 4 MOTs with a dodgy disabled ABS system and the last test was passed even with some interesting emissions printouts I'm not too concerned.
Keep up the "we're all doomed" debate though :popcorn:
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its not all doom I only heard about it first with the insurance I was with direct line and when i swapped from the pt cruiser , I told them the vehicle they checked on the drive lpg website and found it was not registered then downgraded my cover to 3rd party only until it was registered and the vehicle was then tagged on the insurance database.
AA
Admiral Insurance
Allianz
Aviva Insurance
Bell Insurance
Churchill
Co-operative Insurance
Cornish Mutual Insurance
Diamond Insurance
Direct Line
Egg Insurance
Elephant Insurance
Insurethebox
Marketstudy Insurance
NatWest Insurance
NFU Mutual
Privilege
Prudential
Royal Bank of Scotland Car Insurance
Royal London
Sabre Insurance
Saga Insurance
Zenith Insurance
these are the current insurance companies that use the register
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Remind me again...who has posted on this forum LPG is an overcomplicated space using up hidden cost pile of shit... :wave-fingersmiely: :hysterical:
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dont talk about panic that way he is only trying to help bish you are not helping this thread is about lpg
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Re. MOT, what's the method of checking age? Asking for paperwork seem like it'd be prone to all sorts of difficulty and arguments when people haven't heard of the changes and I'm not sure looking for plates on tanks would be any easier
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people will always see things different ways, we all know dodgy garages etc and thats life, me I try to go about it the right way cos I don't want someone suing the ass off me and losing my house, savings and thats just defending myself, I can't afford it. You make your choice but if it bites you in ass , don't come fuckin moanin.
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I think the system's bollox not you or any legit garage. I just wonder how these new items will actually be tested in reality.
I'm starting to lean towards Bish's way of thinking though, 7-8 years ago LPG seemed like an obvious choice, now seems too much bother.
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dont talk about panic that way he is only trying to help bish you are not helping this thread is about lpg
Not talking about panic...just offering my views yet again..
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Re. MOT, what's the method of checking age? Asking for paperwork seem like it'd be prone to all sorts of difficulty and arguments when people haven't heard of the changes and I'm not sure looking for plates on tanks would be any easier
you are right there but each tank is numbered and can be traced back to a manufacturer and date of production,( its a pressed steel plate welded to tank ) usually a new tank is fitted when a new installation is installed from that point on it has 10 years before the certificate expires, if you don't have a certificate then you have to get it checked, usually cost around £50, and then they will now enter it onto the lpg register, if the tank is older and they register it, they will be liable and somehow I don't see them doing that.
thats why when you buy a car with lpg if it doesn;t have a valid lpg cert.walk away.
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If you look at the link i posted above to the fuel section of the MOT manual no date check is mentioned. Only leaks from gas systems. Insurance may well be another kettle of fish as we all know they are out to fuck us.
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yup i did look at the link and as you say its not mentioned there, just seems as normal vosa are fucking up everything whilst doing nothing constructive.
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From looking into this it seems that the VOSA are primarily interested in the actual vehicle emissions and they give you a choice on which fuel type it is to be tested on. As far as I can see just opt for petrol and job's a gud un.
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Remind me again...who has posted on this forum LPG is an overcomplicated space using up hidden cost pile of shit... :wave-fingersmiely: :hysterical:
T'is true. LPG has some downsides, but hey Bish I paid 66p per litre this morning. 80 litres £52.80. Unleaded costs £1.38 =£110.00. :hysterical: away for a gut busting Chinese and the Offy with change for the difference. :singing:
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i smell bull shit
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nah your just stiring it, if you stop the smell will go away. :lol_hitting:
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LPG Car Fire Tests (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXS21uh6lc#)
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:017: so as i am rather thick what are you trying to say ??????????? that a lpg fire is a more grusome way to die than a good old petrol fire ??? ya know i thought burning to death was more or less the same agonising death and lets face it we have driven vehicles with petrol bombs underneath there ass for over a hundred years and truth be told i bet most vehicle fires are lecky based maybe you can spend some time reseaching statistics to the point we will be afraid to sleep at night
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nah, it was just something sent to me , interesting enough tho I have spoken to a woman called suzanne this morning at the lpg association, and its the present standing is tanks do expire but there is no requirement to have them changed altho for safety sake you should do, by a lpga approved installer ( no surprise there) the requirement to show a valid certificate before mot never made it into law as it would be hard to implement if certificates were lost or stolen ( apparently quite common among lardies) and not all garages have internet access to use their site to check registrations against the register.
So basically its now just down to the leak test as per a petrol vehicle and if your vehicle is not declared to your insurance company as having lpg you are likely to have voided any insurance policy.
what I did find interesting with the video is that it takes 3 mins for bish to blow up but over 10mins for someone with even a dodgy lpg installation.
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you are turnin into Dave69's love child dood :icon_eek:
ya gotta chill on this nerd stuff and chattin to mystery men called suzanne
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I did not know she was once a man , obviously you have had more in depth :icon_butt: dealings with her.
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she has to be a man, or at the very least a tranny, none of the women i have known would be interested in geeky shite like that
mind u i never been involved with a minger so maybe they do brain dead stuff so as to appear more interestin to a dood that is more in their league :003:
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:017: so explain to my old slow mind panic
was that a government minister way of saying i was wrong ???????????? or a hillery clinton i mispoke ???????
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u read what he put :icon_eek:
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I was going by the info given to me so I stand corrected :lol_hitting:I was not on the grassy knoll but in my defence I would say for me safety comes first.
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sorry if you feel i am being pointed about it but as someone who peristantly quotes legislation and regs on everything from space travel to tape worm farming i think you should be a litle more careful i am fortunate enough to know you in real life but there are folk on birtys who dont and they may get the impresion you are a cross between rumpole of the baily and steven hawking its fine to be an expert in your field just be careful what field you are standing in
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Ok sorry If I do appear to that, when I first talked to vosa it was over wolverhampton when we took the H2 for the MOT at the ministry site, Was talking to the examiner over there as the guys who own the hummer were thinking about getting it on lpg and that was the information I was given at the time(october 2011). Talking to the woman at the LPGA yesterday she did say that is what they intended to do but come the day it came into place , it was much watered down.Thing is when buying a car running LPG I would want the tanks to be safe, they are a pressure vessel, they do have an expiry date but no one can force you to change them, its just advised you do or at least get them checked.
I now I what I would do and a car with expired tanks or no certificate is only worth scrap in my eyes.
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a car with expired tanks or no certificate is only worth scrap in my eyes.
err, isn't is just a car without a certified LPG kit, a bit over dramatic saying its scrap.
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maybe so but as I said in my eyes...
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Mr "glass 1/2 empty & we're doomed" :hysterical:
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What worries me more is that people with qualifications in mechanics don't know where to check such information so it would seem I am not the only one standing in the wrong field.
But let's leave it now everyone has differing views. And interpretations and that's where they a best left
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There is another solution...take the whole lot out and chuck it over a hedge..
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mmmm, there may be a job opportunity for you Bish :icon_winkle: can you ride a horse ?
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Horse is stretching a point, pony more appropriate methinks :003:
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I've ridden a few dogs :icon_rolleyes:
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As I had stated previously nothing is in the MOT specifically regarding LPG converted vehicles or the installation of the equipment. It appears that there are people contributing to this site putting forward personally motivated dis-information because they do not like a LPG conversion on a Jeep.
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:imwitstupid:
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Doesnt this follow the same line as airbag use by dates that never got implemented
Posted from my phone as its quicker than the pc connection
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As someone who lives with someone who can drink from the glass half empty glass in every situation I know that it is incurable, and I also know its a horrible way to live and quite obviously robs the joy out of any situation, so tbh we should ease up on panic, and who knows, he may even be right here, we shouldnt just dismiss him in every thread just because of the continous doom stuff
It cant be good to keep hearing "are you shitting me" all throughout ya life :icon_sad:
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BD such wisdom from you is unique........ here's your mantra :hysterical:
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I know what my trouble is BD, I do tend to be over cautious some don't like that,I don't have much spare money and am definatley not in a well paid job, so I try to spend it as well as I can, I like driving off road but I am not one of those guys that want to go crazy over it and go hardcore, that seems to have become the focus of the club , it wasn't like that in the beginning but things evolve and maybe I am not fast enough to keep up.
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there is a cure and you dont need to go hardcore at all.
Just get mud on your tyres mate
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kinda hard when I am working nights all week and then driving the limo's at the weekend to make ends meet.
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It cant be good to keep hearing "are you shitting me" all throughout ya life :icon_sad:
could be worse, you could be called a pinko commie bastard :011: :hysterical:
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FFS i'll have to clean the f*cker to get the best before date :jpshakehead:
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kinda hard when I am working nights all week and then driving the limo's at the weekend to make ends meet.
you sure seem to find plenty of time to research obscure regs and law to scare us with dood so you cant be that busy
lets not get trapped in my lifes harder than yours face it we all work our buts off for fuck all true one or tow have better jobs but the bulk of us work hard
club going hardcore .................... fuck off......... the bulk of the club still rides on 31s and very mild lift sure there is a developmental group going bigger stronger but they are not the majority by a very long shot
and dood dont complane about how it used to be too how it is now in all your years of membership i only recall you at an event offroading 3 times and green laning once it may be more but not many
and you totaly missed the thrust of my post please re read it
those of us who know you personly know you are 100% good guy who would willingly help anyone an all round good egg in the spirit that birtys is known for and we know you are most exalent with a pc and fault reader and that is deff your field of expertise and that you will gladly help with other probs too
but you can not spout the law and regs at folk less you bang on and i dont refer to this thread i am on about all threads you leap in faster than an ambulance chasing soliciter who sniffs a wiff of compo you are good bloke a top birty but be carefull i had debunked the info you had given out within 24 hours by logging on to the testing site at a helpfull mot station and spoke to 5 insurers but man you were reluctant to climb down
no one doubts your good intentions but folk who dont know you think you are an authority
i am not an expert and nowhere on this forum or in its time have i stated that i was and would not claim to be an expert in my field but i have experiance a plenty and i have always found poor information in the wrong hands worse than no information no matter how helpfuly given it is
i hope that explains what i have tried to say without looking like an attack on a nice chap if you want to take the hump dood thats up to you i will just live with it and stay as i am firmly rooted in the 20th century still old still fat and still slightly grumpy at times
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still slightly grumpy at times
Birty understatement of the year :hysterical:
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longest ever bubba post?
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