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Title: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 09:42:43 PM: As the title says - really wanted to go petrol big V8 in the Kaiser coz Im not feelin the love with the diesel & manual on it - I really really really dont like manual

So obvious solution (ie cheaper) is to find an auto box that mates up to the perkins and can be used in conjunction with the divorced transfer (new words explained to me today :003: ) on the Kaiser.

Any ideas? Thoughts? Nowt over complicated ideally coz Im feelin beat down with the endless Jeep work I have to keep thinkin about so easy, if it exists, is best.

Cheers :greggmo:
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 09:44:29 PM: :017:
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 09:45:04 PM: Weigh it in and look at the phaser!!!
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 09:46:25 PM: are you talking english?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 09:48:28 PM: are you talkin to me or H?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 09:53:18 PM: little H
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 09:54:58 PM: Say no more....

http://www.diesel-engine.cn/perkins/phaser-series-list.htm (http://www.diesel-engine.cn/perkins/phaser-series-list.htm)
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 09:57:08 PM: err i already have the Perkins 6.354 in the Kaiser, I just want an auto box instead of the diesel
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:00:13 PM: My condolences...
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 10:01:32 PM: you could give him your hemi peter, from your rock krawler
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:03:23 PM: Quote from: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
you could give him your hemi peter, from your rock krawler

I think not!!
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 10:04:50 PM: is it broke again?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:05:38 PM: Quote from: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:00:13 PM
My condolences...

errr why dat?

everyone else has been fulsome in their praise
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:07:06 PM: Try it then...
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:08:06 PM: Quote from: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 10:04:50 PM
is it broke again?

Never broke the engine normally the TH400 fooooooks up!!
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 10:09:30 PM: Quote from: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
Try it then...

is that little big man fighting talk?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:12:23 PM: Quote from: j33pky on July 24, 2012, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
Try it then...

is that little big man fighting talk?

Hey just because you experiment with back passage technology.
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: scrw on July 24, 2012, 10:14:05 PM: Well if you would get a truck with a boat engine!

You may be better flogging the perkins and getting a different diesel & auto box as one unit, GMC v8?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:18:05 PM: then I may as well go petrol V8, and amc would be logical as I have a plethora of gearboxes
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: scrw on July 24, 2012, 10:21:55 PM: hurry up then!

A bit of googling couldn't find an auto box for the perkins, so its adaptor time??
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:23:38 PM: 7 weeks holiday and cant be arsed to change gears :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:25:32 PM: Quote from: scrw on July 24, 2012, 10:21:55 PM
hurry up then!

A bit of googling couldn't find an auto box for the perkins, so its adaptor time??

yeah I couldnt find owt either, but if I go adaptor route its more expense
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:26:04 PM: Find a Range Rover conversion plate and fit a Rangies auto box, only problem is it will have a transfer box attached to it.
On the bright side you could have a two transfer boxes and end up with a super low crawl speed though :003:
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:26:21 PM: Quote from: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:23:38 PM
7 weeks holiday and cant be arsed to change gears :icon_rolleyes:

beyond my multi faceted talents and tool box
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:28:07 PM: Quote from: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:23:38 PM
7 weeks holiday and cant be arsed to change gears :icon_rolleyes:

beyond my multi faceted talents and tool box

Indeed he has a permanent semi on!!!
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:32:27 PM: I can see why you would think that but in truth Im just hung like a horse
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:33:03 PM: Quote from: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:26:04 PM
Find a Range Rover conversion plate and fit a Rangies auto box, only problem is it will have a transfer box attached to it.
On the bright side you could have a two transfer boxes and end up with a super low crawl speed though :003:

Forgot to say performance will be dire but for originality's sake did they use autos in Nam?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:35:02 PM: and mocaj would so not like this thread :003:

so lets reorientate - which auto box to make my life cheap n easy?

and screw nam, or Im gonna end up sellin it on if it stays manual
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: isle of man on July 24, 2012, 10:37:08 PM: make the box you have fit!
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:39:29 PM: ok, I have a TF999 spare - what do I need to do?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: scrw on July 24, 2012, 10:50:11 PM: adaptor plate & modified flexplate
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:50:47 PM: made or built?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:53:31 PM: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/landrover-2a-breaking-so-selling-conversion-plate-and-stuff-for-the-conversion-/160850451635?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item25736f1cb3 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/landrover-2a-breaking-so-selling-conversion-plate-and-stuff-for-the-conversion-/160850451635?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item25736f1cb3)

The 6.354 is a 6 cylinder version of the 4.236 allegedly so they have the same bolt pattern.
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: scrw on July 24, 2012, 10:56:39 PM: Quote from: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
made or built?
fook knows, I have had adaptor plates made up, but you will need to find a flex plate to attach the Torque convertor to, maybe mod one off another engine
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:58:42 PM: Quote from: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 10:53:31 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/landrover-2a-breaking-so-selling-conversion-plate-and-stuff-for-the-conversion-/160850451635?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item25736f1cb3 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/landrover-2a-breaking-so-selling-conversion-plate-and-stuff-for-the-conversion-/160850451635?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item25736f1cb3)

The 6.354 is a 6 cylinder version of the 4.236 allegedly so they have the same bolt pattern.

lawd will have no idea how useful all that stuff is :peekaboo:

but I could be delving into the pot if its what im after
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: wildwood on July 24, 2012, 10:58:51 PM: So....

Things do move on when I go away don't they..... Even for a day :jpshakehead:

If ya don't like the boat engine and the manual what about that Caddy and Th 400 we were looking at...... Just a few adapter bits to fit a transfer case and happiness all round :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 11:00:03 PM: its the few bits Im worried about - who, where, how much etc
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: wildwood on July 24, 2012, 11:02:13 PM: Novak and Advance adapters ....... Just give em an e mail with what your doing and they will tell you what and how much. :icon_super:
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Dave The Sparky on July 24, 2012, 11:09:01 PM: Would advance adaptors make an adaptor for a Perkins :hysterical:

The stuff above would mate a Range Rover gearbox to your engine but its made for a manual gearbox so like Scrw says you would presumably need a flex plate drilling and then you would have to either use the Rangies transfer box and get rid of the seperate one or get rid of the Rangies transfer box and fit some sort of drive coupling to the auto box.
I have no idea how strong the Range Rover stuff is either, it may not last 5 minutes with that engine and hulking that thing about but the same may be said of the TF999.

The trouble is whatever you do it means having something engineered somewhere and if you dont know anyone and cant draw what you want precisely you are wasting your time and are better off just sticking to the manual box or finding something else with an auto box already

Dont you have any spare AMC V8s anywhere?
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: Delk on July 25, 2012, 07:46:21 AM: If you go making adapters and trying to stuff any old auto in it will probably cost you a small fortune and end up even worse then the manual and boat engine you have. If you do want to change it would probably me much easier to pick up one of the chevy diesels with an auto already on it. At least you know it will run and the torque converter will match the engine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-3500-V8-Diesel-Left-Hand-Drive-Box-Van-Direct-from-U-S-Forces-/360473592836?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item53ede68404 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-3500-V8-Diesel-Left-Hand-Drive-Box-Van-Direct-from-U-S-Forces-/360473592836?pt=UK_Commercial_Trucks&hash=item53ede68404)
Title: Re: Perkins 6.354 - which auto box for the Kaiser and divorced transfer?
Post by: MOCAJ on July 25, 2012, 01:18:00 PM: Quote from: Bulldog67 on July 24, 2012, 10:35:02 PM
and mocaj would so not like this thread :003:

What you mean, its good so far :icon_biggrin: