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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: wildwood on May 22, 2013, 12:24:28 PM

Title: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on May 22, 2013, 12:24:28 PM
ZJ gearbox.....
harptree Birtys will already know that I had a bit of a fry up on the way down...... :hysterical:

Seems OK now ..... Fluid topped up ...needed half a litre and all red and clean looking still.....

however......after 7 trips of 150 miles per journey......I reckon to have reached its dummy spitting time.......

looks like although they are rated to tow 3500 they don't like it.......added to which although I have had the trailer serviced and new brake cables two weeks ago I was still smoking the brakes on the last few miles to Harptree down the steep hills through those villages with width restrictions :jpshakehead:

brakes are new on the GC too.....

Just a heads up to any that may do as I have done.......and go large :icon_super:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Cockney Boy on May 22, 2013, 01:00:13 PM
So are plans afoot to upgrade to a bigger towing truck?
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on May 22, 2013, 01:18:23 PM
Oh yes......
dodge Cummins 5.9 400+ ft lbs of torque thingies and rated to tow 7 tons......should do the trick....

some swift horse trading needed to get things together for CF and beyond......... Sadly grounded and immobile till then......... :010:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Warthog on May 22, 2013, 06:55:36 PM
F450, Sir?

Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bgbazz on May 22, 2013, 06:59:33 PM
F450, Sir?

Now ya talking serious.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Dave69 on May 22, 2013, 07:25:28 PM
These dont do narrow lanes
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Cockney Boy on May 22, 2013, 07:52:17 PM
These dont do narrow lanes

What they do is crush them into wide lanes and take a few cyclists with them.....Dont forget to tweet after tho WW  :lol_hitting:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bgbazz on May 22, 2013, 08:14:07 PM
You related to the blonde by any chance?
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: chrisjones on May 22, 2013, 08:22:29 PM
These dont do narrow lanes

Can't be any wider than the 1 Ton and that managed some narrow lanes all on its own on the weekend.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bigjeepzj on May 22, 2013, 09:40:45 PM
 :eusa_whistle:
(https://birtydastards.com/frm/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autoviva.com%2Fimg%2Fphotos%2F356%2Fbig_63356.jpg&hash=c450390c9eb8b777e77a60e4afa80e2146a7ff2a)

rangrer 3.2
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on May 23, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
Just had an economy thought...... :jpshakehead:

warthog gave me a heads up on a Nissan 4.2 as a tug........

Got my eyes on a last of issue 98/99 LWB non turbo version....... Would this do the trick or be crawling up hills at 40...... ?

I know at least a couple of you Birtys are Nissan fans


I am towing at least up to the 3.5 ton limit........I am told :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bgbazz on May 23, 2013, 01:06:23 PM
Can't comment on the towing limit Jez, but the 4.2 should crawl rather quickly up all but the steepest hills.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: king cj on May 23, 2013, 08:18:46 PM
Nissan tows well, not the most powerfull of engines (think they are about 160hp without turbo) but the drivetrain is strong. Also rot like only a datsun can. Not the most frugal motor either, early 20s at best so ive heared. Friend of mine loves his, but has spent alot of time welding on it.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: king cj on May 23, 2013, 08:25:03 PM
Oh and cummins engines have a habit of eating dodge autos so find a manual transmission one if you go that route.
A cummins ram will laugh at 3.5 ton.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on May 23, 2013, 08:29:23 PM
diesel Dan's is non turbo then?.....

And I thought you had a Cummins now? Has box gone bang on yours......?

hear that the 24 valve ones have fuel pressure issues that can take out the lift pump and fuel pump.........  Am tempted to be sure........ Oh yes.......

oh yes.......congrats on getting married.......... Hope to see you sometime this off roading  season
 :icon_super:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: king cj on May 23, 2013, 08:41:47 PM
Thanks, yup dans is non turbo at the moment but is going to turbo it. My ram is manual(nv4500) and with it being a 24valve first thing i did was get a high output aftermarket lift pump (airdog) and a fuel pressure gauge. 24 valve injection pumps get a bad rep but its the craptastic lift pumps that stop working causing the injection pump to fail, keep them fed with fuel under pressure and they are fine. Mine also has a quadzilla adrenaline  :icon_twisted: which adds 180hp and 400lbs of torque on max setting which is nice, then you can press a dash mounted button to go to economy mode when you have finished embarrassing the boy racer
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on May 23, 2013, 08:50:13 PM
thanks........ :icon_twisted: that's got me addicted to a Cummins then..... Gonna be researching all that now.......... Sounds like fun with all that torque....... :hysterical: oh yes :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: king cj on May 23, 2013, 09:04:55 PM
If your up this way call in and have a go, see if you like it or not
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bigjeepzj on May 23, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
Not taking the piss but this could be an option

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-FL6-MOTORHOME-/221228605217?pt=UK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes&hash=item3382409f21

found it will look for motor homes
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Dave The Sparky on May 23, 2013, 10:15:16 PM
Yeah leave the 1 ton at home and bring your Ferris wheel to Cheapfest instead with that baby :003:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on May 23, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
If your up this way call in and have a go, see if you like it or not


Just been looking at Air Dog.......  :icon_super:

Will be up your way in next month I think.......will PM you ......cheers
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Bulldog67 on May 23, 2013, 10:21:22 PM
Not taking the piss but this could be an option

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-FL6-MOTORHOME-/221228605217?pt=UK_Campers_Caravans_Motorhomes&hash=item3382409f21

found it will look for motor homes

That is an utterly absurd piece of doodah but I like it :003:

And its cheap

And it beats the crap out of a tent

Im almost tempted for a short term solution
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Dave The Sparky on May 23, 2013, 10:45:33 PM
Then you my friend can tow..... the dodgems  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: chrisjones on May 23, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Yeah leave the 1 ton at home and bring your Ferris wheel to Cheapfest instead with that baby :003:

Beat me to it.

 :hysterical:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Dave The Sparky on May 23, 2013, 10:47:11 PM
Best Ebay quote for a while

"SELLING ON FRIENDS BEHALF AS HIS WIFE WON'T GO OUT IN IT" :003:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bigjeepzj on May 23, 2013, 10:51:11 PM
sell the wife
BD it's you buy it
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: UKJeeper on May 24, 2013, 02:39:14 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THE-A-TEAM-VAN-GMC-VAN-ONE-OF-THE-BEST-/321130811808?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4ac4e351a0

Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: demonicwillow on May 25, 2013, 08:09:04 PM
The ZJ is rated at 2300 kgs towing not 3500 kgs  :icon_winkle:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Bulldog67 on June 16, 2013, 07:11:25 PM
Here goes my vote:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C396613
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on June 16, 2013, 07:21:42 PM
The ZJ is rated at 2300 kgs towing not 3500 kgs  :icon_winkle:

that's a worry :hysterical:......but in all seriousness there is a sticker on the drivers side cill that says 3500 kg?????   

all I can say is that whatever it says the ZJ ain't up to it......... As you all know......I have tested so you my Birty mates don't have to  :icon_super:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: UKJeeper on June 17, 2013, 03:31:27 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1982-GMC-CHEVY-C3500-6-5-TURBO-DIESEL-DUALLY-CREW-CAB-FULL-SIZE-PICK-UP-NEW-MOT-/350816094686?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item51ae44c9de
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: UKJeeper on June 17, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-EXPLORER-2002-LHD-4X4-/130913537095?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1e7b0e0c47
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bigjeepzj on June 17, 2013, 03:52:15 PM
the 4.0 6v are big bills as that go bang
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bigjeepzj on June 17, 2013, 03:53:07 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/97-R-CHEVROLET-GMC-DROPSIDE-PICK-UP-6-5-V8-TURBO-DIESEL-AUTO/200933805802?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D15867%26meid%3D8442516188201221482%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D7588%26rk%3D3%26sd%3D350816094686%26
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Bulldog67 on June 18, 2013, 10:35:53 AM
Quote
THIS TRUCK IS NOT FOR GIRLS ONLY REAL MEN NEED ENQUIRE:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/dodge/ram/dodge-ram-2500-cummins-4x4-diesel-short-bed/1459052
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on June 18, 2013, 10:40:54 AM
been looking at all these :hysterical:

Saw a mid 80's truck down in Golders Green Last night........BUT

Looks like its got to be a Cummins for me.......

That one Ade looks like it has tooo many mods done by previous owners .......and will they work???

got my eyes on a black dually with manual box....... :icon_super:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: big g on June 18, 2013, 05:51:22 PM
Them Cummins are phenomenal tuggers.

Hope you get sorted.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bigjeepzj on June 18, 2013, 10:40:56 PM


got my eyes on a black dually with manual box....... :icon_super:
is it this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DODGE-RAM-1998-3500-DUALLY-5-9TD-MONSTER-TRUCK-AMERICAN-PICK-UP-TRUCK-FORD-F350-/151064260460?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item232c21af6c
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on June 19, 2013, 08:26:09 AM
spotted ........ :hysterical:
First manual I've seen.... But earlier pics showed a 5th wheel set up so maybe its been ragged and with no history........whô knows???

But if it goes cheap enough for my wallet........maybe........Tis in Edinburgh.......but cheap rail ticket from here for £40 odd squid :icon_biggrin:

Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: isle of man on June 19, 2013, 09:19:41 AM
 :017: It's 2WD.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on June 19, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
very few 4x4s around....... ( unmolested and not lifted with 35s)

Ideal is an extra cab 4x4 cummins with 5 speed.......none around :jpshakehead:

Second best is anything with a cummins :icon_twisted:

Tis only KORC that will cause a prob...... So far I think.
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: bigjeepzj on June 19, 2013, 10:02:56 AM
bum was in Edinburgh last week i could have gone and had a look  for you :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: Ezz on June 19, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
I think you'll be fine at KORC, my mate tows his up to the camp site with a motorhome no probs..

Ezz
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: jay140285 on June 19, 2013, 12:31:34 PM
Here you go.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZIL-131-WITH-CUMMINS-TD-DIESEL-ENGINE-/190847541459?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c6f6660d3
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: isle of man on June 19, 2013, 12:41:30 PM
 :pokinit: :pokinit:
Title: Re: Towing the 1 Ton!!!
Post by: wildwood on June 19, 2013, 12:46:08 PM
That'll be one for the IOM stable I think :icon_twisted: