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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Mike2909 on August 11, 2013, 08:28:07 PM

Title: Brake Bleed
Post by: Mike2909 on August 11, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
I fitted the 2" lift kit this weekend and fitted Hel stainless brake hoses. I created a problem for myself  :jpshakehead: as I did not check the bleed nipples were all working and sods law one of them is rusted solid.
Can I just bleed from 1 nipple to clear the air out of the system? It is the offside rear that has the seized nipple.
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Mike2909 on August 11, 2013, 08:30:31 PM
I also forgot to ask, do I need to have the front wheels aligned after the lift ?
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: MOCAJ on August 11, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
you will to bleed both sides, alignment wise if you have not moved the hole for your track bar the axle will be out of line ie axle will stick out more one side than the other
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: MOCAJ on August 11, 2013, 08:36:05 PM
track bar is same for front and rear  :icon_winkle:
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Mike2909 on August 11, 2013, 09:31:59 PM
you will to bleed both sides, alignment wise if you have not moved the hole for your track bar the axle will be out of line ie axle will stick out more one side than the other

Excuse my ignorance but how do I move the hole for the track bar or will having the alignment done sort the problem? If I bleed both sides at the front will that do the job?
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: JamesH on August 12, 2013, 06:21:15 PM
Sounds like you should probably take the caliper off and sort out the seized brake nipple. Putting the nipple in a vice done up very tight and turning the caliper works well but puts fluid everywhere.

As the track bars / panhard rods have no adjuster on them it can't be adjusted by taking it for a wheel alignment. You need to fit adjustable bars or drill a new mounting hole for them.
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Lornaben on August 12, 2013, 06:48:19 PM
 :iagree:

You have to bleed each caliper to get the air out
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Mike2909 on August 12, 2013, 08:43:46 PM
Sounds like you should probably take the caliper off and sort out the seized brake nipple. Putting the nipple in a vice done up very tight and turning the caliper works well but puts fluid everywhere.

As the track bars / panhard rods have no adjuster on them it can't be adjusted by taking it for a wheel alignment. You need to fit adjustable bars or drill a new mounting hole for them.

The reason I started with a 2" BB was because according to all the info available you do not need to do anything else to the Jeep except  have an alignment done.All I fitted were 4 spring spacers and 4 shocks, but I will do what is necessary and appreciate the advice and info.
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Dave69 on August 12, 2013, 09:47:38 PM
a 2" lift shouldn't affect the alignment enough to be noticeable,  with a seized bleed nipple you wont be able to get the air out of the hydraulics in that caliper so when you brake that caliper will not work effectively. do as James has suggested with a vice and replace with new.

the easiest way to bleed the brakes is by using a vacuum bleeder, if not available them its the off on up and down communication
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Mike2909 on August 13, 2013, 04:15:12 AM
I removed the caliper last night , it is presently on the bench being soaked in plus gas, I will leave it until I get home tonight and then try and remove the nipple.
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Ditchd on August 13, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
 :ace:
I removed the caliper last night , it is presently on the bench being soaked in plus gas, I will leave it until I get home tonight and then try and remove the nipple.

Good luck , can't see why it won't work, but........

If the worst comes to the worst use a set of parallel , not the conventional tapered , screw extractors to remove it. The big advantage of those is you can usually get bleed nipples out EASILY without even touching the threads .

Posting that snippet as people , me included lol, usually go jumping in if it goes wrong.
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: JamesH on August 13, 2013, 03:19:25 PM
try the vice trick - even if you have to buy a vice to do it! I tried everything, heat, penetrating fluids. a clamping wrench that really grabs seized nuts and nothing worked. I then put it in the vice and turned the caliper and it just unscrewed (top tip from Lornaben)
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: dtooth on August 13, 2013, 06:04:15 PM
Just add to JamesH I did mine by heating the nipple on the hob then put it in the vice worked a treat had to do both of mine
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Dutch on August 13, 2013, 06:09:58 PM
Just add to JamesH I did mine by heating the nipple on the hob then put it in the vice worked a treat had to do both of mine

You still married ? :017:

Ok ...... I'll get my coat  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: dtooth on August 13, 2013, 06:14:54 PM
Just add to JamesH I did mine by heating the nipple on the hob then put it in the vice worked a treat had to do both of mine

You still married ? :017:

Ok ...... I'll get my coat  :icon_biggrin:
:lol_hitting:
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: wildwood on August 13, 2013, 07:12:51 PM
Appliances in the kitchen........ :hysterical:

Dishwasher....................


Or as we call it ....... The Parts Washer :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Dave69 on August 13, 2013, 09:51:26 PM
easy out can be a disaster if they break so they are normally a last resort. penetration fluid heat and a vice normally works
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: wildwood on August 13, 2013, 10:26:05 PM
reckon the vice trick wins........

Before I'd thought to do that....... The red mist descended and I had welded some scrap 1/4" bar to the bleed nipple and just like a large wrench it came undone...... Just had to get on to Lighties for a new bleed nipple then...... :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: Mike2909 on August 14, 2013, 07:51:17 AM
The vice trick has won  :ace:.Was bit worried it would shear off but it came out with a whimper.
As always thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: JamesH on August 14, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
Good work  :greggmo:
Title: Re: Brake Bleed
Post by: bgbazz on August 14, 2013, 10:42:55 AM
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