Birty Dastards Jeep Club
Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: paulbaron on December 07, 2013, 08:13:28 PM
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hi, had a zj for about a year and have found the steering to be a bit vague. replaced the ball joint that connects to the pitman arm and the panhard rod. still the steering wanders, do they all do this or have i missed something :017:
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Grease.
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TYRE pressure all round, low tread/old tyres
Just my thoughts
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Not being used to how a ZG drives?
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they do drive like a water bed but check tyre pressures, tracking plus usual maintenance
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hi, had a zj for about a year and have found the steering to be a bit vague. replaced the ball joint that connects to the pitman arm and the panhard rod. still the steering wanders, do they all do this or have i missed something :017:
Hi Paul. Shouldn't stress over it. When my Jeeps have broken and I've needed a pool car, it always surprises me that a vauxhall/ford/toyota actually go the way you point them. XJ, ZJ, and WJ all have the same vague feeling. Just make sure tyres are ok/ pressures are correct and enjoy
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:iagree:
Get a zj with and you think you are more sailing than driving
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Thanks for the tips, will keep looking for a problem or failing that convert to a tiller :003:
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Hi All My First Post, just bought a 2001 WJ and the ( :steeringwheel: < straight line driving )steering is scary :icon_eek:,as its just passed its mot i assume its not loose or worn components, i checked the tyres and there as a fairly new tyre on the rear with a worn tyre on the same axel , so i assume it is part of the issue but i have found several posts that say there is adjustment on the steering box (for the WJ anyway)
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Wandering steering is normal. :icon_eek: :steeringwheel:
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there as a fairly new tyre on the rear with a worn tyre on the same axel
Possibly unrelated to your issues but on the continuous 4wd WJ you have to have 4 identical tyres. If not, sooner or later you will encounter drive train issues.
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there as a fairly new tyre on the rear with a worn tyre on the same axel
Possibly unrelated to your issues but on the continuous 4wd WJ you have to have 4 identical tyres. If not, sooner or later you will encounter drive train issues.
:iagree: Equal tread depth on the same axle & not much more than about 2,0 mm depth between front & rear axles. equal tyre prewssures too
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I read this and the advice about the tyre pressures. Got mine topped and equalised and handling is now much improved.
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See its all about this prewssure thing ...... ask Gaz :hysterical:
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See its all about this prewssure thing ...... ask Gaz :hysterical:
He was doing his Jonathan Woss impwession :lol_hitting:
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See its all about this prewssure thing ...... ask Gaz :hysterical:
Ohh FFS :banghead: :banghead: :hysterical: :hysterical:
Once more the clogmeister strikes again :icon_super:
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Seems like you can run Gaz....but you can't hide!! :hysterical:
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There is no escape from the curator :hysterical:
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Thanks for the info. looks like i will have to change the tyres on the rear, and put the good one on the spare.
i know the quadra drive is permanent 4wd but i though the front wheels were only driven if the rears lose grip? ie it normally only drives the rear wheels?
i was thinking of getting some Falken winter tyres- any thing to watch out for with tyres? :017:
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Thanks for the info. looks like i will have to change the tyres on the rear, and put the good one on the spare.
i know the quadra drive is permanent 4wd but i though the front wheels were only driven if the rears lose grip? ie it normally only drives the rear wheels?
Wrong. Catch is in the word Permanent. You have to have 4 identical tyres (with the right prewssures .... thinghy :icon_eek:).
See it this way : if your rear tyres are bigger than your fronts, or the other way round, they will be fighting each other through the transmission & transfer case resulting in excessive wear and ......BANG .... down the road.
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ouch :icon_sad: - so it looks like a full set then, i was wondering why it recommends rotating the tyres every time you do an oil change (7.5k seems a short interval).
i had in my mind that the diff would take care of the rolling diameter difference.
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i had in my mind that the diff would take care of the rolling diameter difference.
It does, and that is what makes it wear out.......
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Depending on the intended use for your car, i.e. if your going to use it purely for road use then buy a road biased tyre but if you intend to use it for laning or light to medium off roading as well, get a set of AT's like BFG or similar. They will also generally be better in snow & ice conditions than a full on Mud (MT) tyre.
You should also get 40K out of a set of BFG AT's, most road biased tyres get in the region of 15K.
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Doh! just realised tha the spare matches the newer tyre, they must have had a puncture and not put it back on...Phew saved a few beer tokens there :icon_jook:
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Hey 4X, life goes on....Look at KM's.
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I had 4 of these fitted in January http://www.eventtyres.com/en/content/ml698 225/70R16 102H @ £66.66 each.
They got me through the worst of the bad weather (6ft Drifts) over the moors last year.
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Hey that doesn't look bad. got 4 x WK 245/65/17 coming up soon. Completely undecided but not the goodyear wrangler crap thats on there now.
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it took me 4 tyres 4 tie rods and a recon steering box plus laser tracking to cure the wandering all I got to cure now is the wobbling
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further to the steering gremlins and the tyre wear issues, my n/s/f is evenly worn but more worn than the other three and this is not the only grand i have seen this on. anyone have an opinion about this ??? :017:
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diffs always have a tendency to drive 1side mebbe that and a different compound tyre?
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Too many roundabouts where you live :003:
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Thanks for the info. looks like i will have to change the tyres on the rear, and put the good one on the spare.
i know the quadra drive is permanent 4wd but i though the front wheels were only driven if the rears lose grip? ie it normally only drives the rear wheels?
Wrong. Catch is in the word Permanent. You have to have 4 identical tyres (with the right prewssures .... thinghy :icon_eek:).
See it this way : if your rear tyres are bigger than your fronts, or the other way round, they will be fighting each other through the transmission & transfer case resulting in excessive wear and ......BANG .... down the road.
tech advice that is sensible from Dutch :icon_eek:
You have changed bro :010:
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Just swapped the spare so that now i have the same make of tyre and tread wear on the rear, then carefully matched all the tyre pressures, and it had made a dramatic difference. hardly any wondering, and it doesn't feel like its going to rollover in the corners.
reading up on the quadradrive system it calls it an "on demand 4 wheel drive system" it normally just powers the rear wheels :017:
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I doubt that :017:
Maybe more power is directed elsewhere in some way in ice conditions but the truck IS permanent 4WD.
That's why it is also inadvisable to tow on its own wheels because without lubrication to the box & transfer case ..... well you can fill in the rest :003:
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Just swapped the spare so that now i have the same make of tyre and tread wear on the rear, then carefully matched all the tyre pressures, and it had made a dramatic difference. hardly any wondering, and it doesn't feel like its going to rollover in the corners. :017:
Makes a big difference :greggmo:
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Just swapped the spare so that now i have the same make of tyre and tread wear on the rear, then carefully matched all the tyre pressures, and it had made a dramatic difference. hardly any wondering, and it doesn't feel like its going to rollover in the corners. :017:
Makes a big difference :greggmo:
Yup, the one thing I did not have on ye ol' WJ was steering issues. Twas always bang on. :icon_winkle:
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Too many roundabouts where you live :003:
roundabouts are not a big problem its the fecking traffic lights that do my swede in. :banghead:
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It's biased to the rear normally but only around 55:45
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up date from wiki:
A notable feature available in this generation was the automatic four wheel drive option called Quadra-Drive, which employed the New Venture Gear NV247 transfer case. This two-speed chain-driven transfer case uses a gerotor, a clutch pack coupled to a hydraulic pump, to transfer torque between the front and rear axles. The transfer case contains three modes, 4-All Time, Neutral, and 4-Lo. In 4-All Time, 100% of torque is sent to the rear axle in normal conditions. If the rear axle starts spinning at a higher rate than the front axle, hydraulic pressure builds up in the gerotor and causes the clutch pack to progressively transfer torque to the front axle until both axles return to the same speed. Neutral mode is intended for towing the vehicle. In 4-Lo, the front and rear axles are locked together through a 2.72 reduction gear ratio. The NV247 transfer case is mated to front and rear axles containing Jeep's Vari-Lok differentials. Vari-Lok differentials also use a gerotor to transfer torque between the wheels on either side of the axle. The major advantage of Quadra-Drive was that the combined transfer case and progressive locking differentials in each axle could automatically control traction between all four wheels. However, only the center differential could be permanently locked, and only in 4Lo. The Quadra-Trac II system included the NV247 transfer case with the standard open front and rear differentials.