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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 06:34:27 PM

Title: Sticky number plates
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 06:34:27 PM
Thinking ahead to when the boss's new bumpers finally arrive, is it legal to have a stick on number plate on the bonnet of the TJ.

You now the kind of thing, like the one on the jag in this picture

(http://http://www.daystoamaze.co.uk/pages/product223.tpl)

You can guess whats comming now, any suggestions as to where to get one, thinking it would have to be shaped to follow the contours of the bonnet so you dont get any creases in it ?
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 06:38:29 PM
Bugger, I will get that image thing sorted  :oops:

(http://http://www.daystoamaze.co.uk/images/italianjobmain.jpg)
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 06:52:13 PM
I might know someone  :lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 07:15:26 PM
Matt, you have PM  :wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 07:30:55 PM
Not sure its legal...seem to remember a thread some where a while back...damn camera's probably can't take pics :shock:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 07:36:53 PM
nope, not legal.......not on anything as new as the tj anyway!

had that convo with someone when i put the plow on.......
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Post by: Psychoman on August 18, 2006, 07:56:44 PM
Not sure about that. As long as its a flat, forward facing surface and the letter size and spacing is right, then I'm not sure what plod or MOT bastards can do about it?

Mind you, on the bonnet of a TJ guess we're not talking flat or forward facing?!?
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 08:08:39 PM
I suppose I could still use the same idea but put it on the bumper, this is what is supposed to arriving one day  :lol:

Need to have a word with local MOT man methinks
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Post by: Woody on August 18, 2006, 08:24:57 PM
GazJeep

www.offroadmdg.co.uk (http://www.offroadmdg.co.uk) sell a plate that clips onto the roller and can be removed when offroading.  Or get some pipe clips from B&Q and screw them straight onto the number plate spaced to fit the rollers.

Woody
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Post by: Psychoman on August 18, 2006, 08:32:06 PM
Quote from: "Woody"
GazJeep

www.offroadmdg.co.uk (http://www.offroadmdg.co.uk) sell a plate that clips onto the roller and can be removed when offroading.  Or get some pipe clips from B&Q and screw them straight onto the number plate spaced to fit the rollers.

Woody


Oh yeah - seen that done. 100% legal (you can't get further forward facing than that!) and dead easy. Good spot Woody. Think Pete S had these? Or could be remembering wrong...
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Post by: isle of man on August 18, 2006, 08:43:14 PM
Quote from: "Woody"
GazJeep

www.offroadmdg.co.uk (http://www.offroadmdg.co.uk) sell a plate that clips onto the roller and can be removed when offroading.  Or get some pipe clips from B&Q and screw them straight onto the number plate spaced to fit the rollers.

Woody


what about those of us who have plasma rope!!!!!!!!!!!! and the sticky number plate on the bonnet???????


peter henry
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Post by: Psychoman on August 18, 2006, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: "isle of man"
Quote from: "Woody"
GazJeep

www.offroadmdg.co.uk (http://www.offroadmdg.co.uk) sell a plate that clips onto the roller and can be removed when offroading.  Or get some pipe clips from B&Q and screw them straight onto the number plate spaced to fit the rollers.

Woody

what about those of us who have plasma rope!!!!!!!!!!!! and the sticky number plate on the bonnet???????


peter henry


My understanding is that thats illegal - as the plate isn't "forward facing". Apparently...
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Post by: isle of man on August 18, 2006, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: "Psychoman"
Quote from: "isle of man"
Quote from: "Woody"
GazJeep

www.offroadmdg.co.uk (http://www.offroadmdg.co.uk) sell a plate that clips onto the roller and can be removed when offroading.  Or get some pipe clips from B&Q and screw them straight onto the number plate spaced to fit the rollers.

Woody

what about those of us who have plasma rope!!!!!!!!!!!! and the sticky number plate on the bonnet???????


peter henry

My understanding is that thats illegal - as the plate isn't "forward facing". Apparently...


it just so happens that i have asked the question and my front number plate is acceptable and have a piece of paper confirming so....as comen sense prevailed......as to functionality......and before you ask no brown envelope changed hands.



peter henry
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Post by: isle of man on August 18, 2006, 08:54:06 PM
Quote from: "xj.jeeper"
What about stickin it to the windscreen where the sun strip goes ?



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also acceptable.......




peter henry
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Post by: Psychoman on August 18, 2006, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: "isle of man"
Quote from: "Psychoman"
Quote from: "isle of man"
Quote from: "Woody"
GazJeep

www.offroadmdg.co.uk (http://www.offroadmdg.co.uk) sell a plate that clips onto the roller and can be removed when offroading.  Or get some pipe clips from B&Q and screw them straight onto the number plate spaced to fit the rollers.

Woody

what about those of us who have plasma rope!!!!!!!!!!!! and the sticky number plate on the bonnet???????


peter henry

My understanding is that thats illegal - as the plate isn't "forward facing". Apparently...

it just so happens that i have asked the question and my front number plate is acceptable and have a piece of paper confirming so....as comen sense prevailed......as to functionality......and before you ask no brown envelope changed hands.



peter henry


Brown envelopes? The thought wouldn't have crossed my mind Pete!  :wink:

Nah - seem to remember in the dim and distant past that (in theory) the number plate should be flat, forward facing, on the nearest available surface (which rules out the roof, etc). I'm sure that you're right about your truck - just not sure that all examiners will agree. JMHO.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 08:58:53 PM
Tell me more Peter.

We too will be using plasma rope on the winch (both of which are in the garage ready for when the 'kin bumpers turn up  :cry:

Where did you get your cherished piece of paper from, MOT station ?  

Gotta do it more than ever now if only because Lord Blackie reckons it cant be done legally (no doubt he will be along to pee in my strawberries soon enough  :lol: )
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Post by: Psychoman on August 18, 2006, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: "gazjeep"
Tell me more Peter.

We too will be using plasma rope on the winch (both of which are in the garage ready for when the 'kin bumpers turn up  :cry:

Where did you get your cherished piece of paper from, MOT station ?  

Gotta do it more than ever now if only because Lord Blackie reckons it cant be done legally (no doubt he will be along to pee in my strawberries soon enough  :wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2006, 09:26:50 PM
tis summat to do with "automatic licence plate recognition".......relective background etc....

also, ALL licence plates MUST bear the name & address of the company what made em across the bottom.........(didnt know that bit)

all plates must be made by an authorised supplier (hence the need for the above) & you have to produce your drivin licence & log book when you buy em........

very much "big brother" but very much the law.......

as with all rules, there are exceptions such as classic vehicles......

btw, i know they wont accept a "sticker" type plate for an MOT cos thats what i had on my CJ & thats one thing it failed on......

so there T-cut....... :butthead:
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Post by: isle of man on August 18, 2006, 09:38:38 PM
its all down to somebody's interpretation of the regulations the hmso in manchester has the answer for those who care to invest in a copy of the regulations..........chapter and verse.



peter henry

still have one brown envelope for sale highest bidder secures.
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Post by: Mort on August 18, 2006, 10:49:51 PM
As far as I know, it ain't legal.  I tried to have a bonnet plate on my Caterham 7 in 1992, and it wasn't legal then either.

Have a word with Craig at http://http://www.craigsplates.com/ - he made up my 8" x 8" J33P plate for the rear - fully legal spacing, with his name and BS number on. He'll know what is and isn't legal.  

When other plate makers were saying an 8 x 8 plate would be illegal (I knew it wasn't, coz the spacings are on the DVLA website), and wouldn't make it up, Craig was clued-up, and made it no problem.  I had to send a scanned copy of my Licence and Registration docs for his records though.

It might also be worth asking him if he'll be at the Abingdon 4x4 Festival this year if your planning on going.
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Post by: Bubba on August 18, 2006, 11:54:03 PM
you can do it the position of the front plate is guidline only spoke to the man today while mot ing a truck at the minestry test staiton
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 12:45:33 AM
Seems to be a bit subjective this doesn't it folks.

It would appear to be not as the law intended but if your MOT man is flexible then its OK.

Cheers for all of the input, I'll have a word with MOT man next week & ask his opinion, if I dont like it I'll try some more MOT places  :wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 12:49:48 AM
Once your bumper finally arrives Gaz check out places that a plate will fit on?
At the mo as temporary measure mines on the OE bumper but offset and it got without comment thro the MOT

KD 's seems to work and if I recall Shep runs an offset plate?
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 12:53:23 AM
See your point your moderatorness  :twisted: kin get here  :roll:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 12:58:10 AM
Im saying nowt..just hope cathederal Jeeps may be quiet soon 8)
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Post by: ExtremeTJ on August 19, 2006, 09:42:56 AM
Why not just put a plate on the grill??

Like this

(http://http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6787/tj004ba6.th.jpg) (http://http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tj004ba6.jpg)
(http://http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/733/tj003xj9.th.jpg) (http://http://img334.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tj003xj9.jpg)
(http://http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/7407/tj002bf4.th.jpg) (http://http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tj002bf4.jpg)
(http://http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/853/tj001zr7.th.jpg) (http://http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tj001zr7.jpg)
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 09:53:45 AM
KD is right, new number plates have to be marked with the authorised suppliers name and post code .... however, who is to say when your stick on number plate were made ????

I've got stick on number plates on the front of the Tomb Raider and front and back of the TJ and had no problems at the MOT, also what is the definition of 'stick on', a lot of dealers apply a vinyl (stick on) number plate to the face of acrylic these days (always used to be to the rear so you looked through the clear bit to see the numbers)

Gaz I got your pm, if you want one made, no problem just let me know the depth of your bumper, not promising it'll be legal but hell ... live life on the edge  :wink:
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Post by: Bubba on August 19, 2006, 10:27:12 AM
both my jeeps run motor bike no plates front and rear and never had a problem or no me other jeeps i used to own
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 10:29:54 AM
Quote from: "matt the sign"
KD is right,



Oh no......can't believe you said that out loud  :roll:
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Post by: Mort on August 19, 2006, 11:50:56 AM
Right - here's the definitive answer:-

http://http://www.dvla.gov.uk/faq/faq_number_plates.htm#26 - see No. 26.

No - they are not fecking legal!  :D
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 11:51:41 AM
Cheers matt I may well take you up on that.

Found this place in the wee small hours at Morts suggestion.
http://www.craigsplates.com/self-adhesi ... plate.html (http://www.craigsplates.com/self-adhesive-number-plate.html)

Sadly it seems to bear out what you guys said but I think it might be worth a punt, besides, its Macs Mums motor so any fine will go her way  :lol:
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Post by: Bubba on August 19, 2006, 04:08:43 PM
sorry guys but  i still say its a guide no more no less there is no specific mounting point otherwise everything on the road would be the same it is the rear plate that is the one that will get you a fine bikes and tractors jcbs and quads have no front plate septing very few exeptionn buses somtime have the front plate above the driver by the route number and you can still get plates without the suplyers  name no problem why worry we all see smoked plates black plates silver plates and those with unreadable script and letters and nos reversed to say whatever
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Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 06:37:19 PM
:prayer:
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Post by: isle of man on August 19, 2006, 10:38:19 PM
yes it's true and i was once a fully qualified ministry tester...........like i said interpretation of the regulations.




peter henry
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Post by: MK1 on August 21, 2006, 09:08:50 PM
How about this kind of device?

http://www.4wd.com/newsite/shop/product ... pid=000269 (http://www.4wd.com/newsite/shop/productdetail.asp?pid=000269)
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Post by: Manda on August 21, 2006, 09:23:12 PM
Great unless you're running plasma through a hawse fairlead.
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Post by: MK1 on August 21, 2006, 10:05:03 PM
So you don't have rollers with synthetic rope?