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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Bubba on March 16, 2007, 10:19:01 PM

Title: jeep handbrakes are just shit
Post by: Bubba on March 16, 2007, 10:19:01 PM
aint it the truth :?:
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Post by: MOCAJ on March 16, 2007, 10:21:09 PM
:werd:
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Post by: Bubba on March 16, 2007, 10:27:17 PM
i do think discs are the best way but not cheap
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Post by: greggmo on March 16, 2007, 10:28:05 PM
mine is great as long as ya dont use it EVER. :lol:
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Post by: Bubba on March 16, 2007, 10:31:45 PM
my one jeep is auto so dont care but the gt is a man and its a pain
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Post by: Mik on March 16, 2007, 10:46:37 PM
Line Lock (http://http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/it.A/id.620/.f?sc=2&category=209) :supz:
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Post by: chrisjones on March 17, 2007, 12:09:03 AM
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Post by: dtooth on March 17, 2007, 12:37:27 AM
Quote from: "Mik"
Line Lock (http://http://www.spidertrax.com/s.nl/it.A/id.620/.f?sc=2&category=209) :supz:


i was going to use one of these

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... &rd=1&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130072301348&rd=1&rd=1)

but still need handbrake for MOT so looking into rear disc conversion using
rover 800 calipers
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Post by: greggmo on March 17, 2007, 12:39:26 AM
that line lock looks interesting mik. do ya know anyone using it?
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Post by: Dave69 on March 17, 2007, 11:26:03 AM
good idea but it's never been good practice to use a line lock as a long term wheel brake. Logn durations of pressure in the lines has a bad effect on the std hoses. short term use ok or just leave the jeep in gear.
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Post by: JamesH on March 17, 2007, 01:33:31 PM
I'm considering rear discs from a ZJ. The swap's easy enough, it's just finding one breaking for reasonable money.

What the idea behind the Rover Calipers?? I've not heard of that much before.
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Post by: Mik on March 17, 2007, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: "Dave69"
good idea but it's never been good practice to use a line lock as a long term wheel brake. Logn durations of pressure in the lines has a bad effect on the std hoses. short term use ok or just leave the jeep in gear.


As you need to splice the line lock into your rear brake feed an upgrade to stainess braided lines makes the job much easier. It also negates the problem you are referring to if you run them all the way to the calipers.
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Post by: UKJeeper on March 17, 2007, 08:39:45 PM
Having nearly gone backwards over a cliff after engaging the (so called) parking brake, i have parked it in first as a natural reaction for the last 12 years.
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Post by: dtooth on March 17, 2007, 08:46:43 PM
Quote from: "JamesH"

What the idea behind the Rover Calipers?? I've not heard of that much before.


i heard thats the calipers MDG usr in there kits.

 there hydro mechanical ( and cheap to buy)
and with a set of grand discs or front xj disc (if the capiler accept vented discs)  its a case of getting some brackets made up
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Post by: MK1 on March 17, 2007, 09:26:42 PM
The AMC20 that I bought from KingCJ has a MDG disc conversion on it.

It uses Rover 820 rear calipers and Suzuki SJ front discs. The Goodridge hoses, brackets and handbrake cables are specifically made.
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Post by: dtooth on March 17, 2007, 09:32:56 PM
cool sj disc look into that
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Post by: JayB on March 18, 2007, 03:07:10 PM
Ihave a ZJ, my wife has a ZJ her hand brake is good mine is crap, even though the rear discs, brake pads and handbrake shoes are new. How does that work? I am hoping that mine will come good.  Until then it gets left in gear.


John
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Post by: greggmo on March 18, 2007, 10:39:32 PM
i am deffo gonna look into the line lock for off road use. but it is always good to leave em in  gear. i see we have a new poster 8)
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Post by: isle of man on March 18, 2007, 10:49:16 PM
line lock is not mot acceptable and i believe that it only guarantees hold for 20 seconds or something like that.






peter henry
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Post by: MK1 on March 18, 2007, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: "dtooth"
cool sj disc look into that


I'm not sure what motor you have, but don't forget CJs and Suzukis are 5 x 5 1/2 not 4 1/2 like the later stuff.
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Post by: tartanzj on March 19, 2007, 01:24:11 PM
Quote from: "JamesH"
I'm considering rear discs from a ZJ. The swap's easy enough, it's just finding one breaking for reasonable money.

ZJ rear discs are brake pedal operated only, the handbrake uses a smaller drum brake and shoe layout and it is useless after a couple of mud runs. I always have to manually re-tension a day or 2 later.
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Post by: dtooth on March 19, 2007, 02:14:27 PM
Quote from: "Mark Barrs"
Quote from: "dtooth"
cool sj disc look into that

I'm not sure what motor you have, but don't forget CJs and Suzukis are 5 x 5 1/2 not 4 1/2 like the later stuff.


yeah looked at that and found that they won't fit my cherry but i believe the wifes rav 4 discs do and i've just changed the front ones
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Post by: JamesH on March 19, 2007, 02:28:18 PM
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ZJ rear discs are brake pedal operated only, the handbrake uses a smaller drum brake and shoe layout and it is useless after a couple of mud runs. I always have to manually re-tension a day or 2 later.

I'm not really doing it for the handbrake as I have an auto and only need a handbrake a few times a year. If the ZJ drum setup is like the XJ one, it's all about cleaning them and re-tensioning every coule of weeks. I looked up the Rover calipers and can see the advantage of them, it's just sorting out the brackets and discs that needs some investigation.[/quote]
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Post by: dtooth on March 19, 2007, 02:36:59 PM
i'm fed up with redoing the hand brake every week even if i don't use it. :)

stiil just keeping my eye out for a bargain shame the X.eng brake is a no go without a sye
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Post by: JamesH on March 19, 2007, 03:40:19 PM
I looked at the X-brake idea as I have a SYE that it would fit to. It's just that it would also require a custom crossmember to mount the caliper to and wouldn't eliminate the 'lurch' I get from my Detroit.

I think the hydro-mechanical caliper is the way to go. It just requires getting all the parts and working out the mounting. If I had a template I could probably get a batch of brackets CNC cut by a friend. I just don't have the time (or warm workshop) to play around with it all.
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Post by: dtooth on March 19, 2007, 03:56:10 PM
if i finish the conservatory i can get on with working on the brakes and brackets i have just about every rear axle lying around here form 35 non clip to a 44
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Post by: isle of man on March 19, 2007, 04:17:58 PM
i have one of these from tom woods..................
(http://http://www.4xshaft.com/graphics/brake_rotor_kit.jpg)
the best e-brake i have ever had.
it just so happens i have a spare unit but not mounting bracket kicking around in my selection of new and nearly new parts.






peter henry
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Post by: dtooth on March 19, 2007, 07:12:19 PM
According this site(  http://www.carlsalter.com/old_wheel_fitments.html (http://www.carlsalter.com/old_wheel_fitments.html)  ) the PCD on a XJ is 5 x114.3  so looking thought the list i spy that a ford probe has the same pcd althought the center id is smaller.
These maybe worth checking out
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Post by: JamesH on March 19, 2007, 08:15:06 PM
Lexus are the same (not exactly bargains prices I'd guess though), Ford Explorer, Rav-4 and I think the small Honda 4x4 plus maybe other Hondas. Brake discs can be safely re-drilled too I think, so any 5 stud with enough metal in the right places could work.
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Post by: Roland on March 25, 2007, 08:46:06 AM
Hi Peter

how much???  :oops:
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Post by: isle of man on March 25, 2007, 09:04:11 AM
here is the link............... http://http://www.4xshaft.com/index.html

you need to inform tom woods about your transmission and take some photos before he will quote.



i payed  approximately $400usd can't recall exactly.





peter henry
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Post by: Roland on March 25, 2007, 11:46:58 AM
:cry:
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Post by: isle of man on March 25, 2007, 11:55:04 AM
possibly, but it is only the basic version........that is, it has a 32 spline flange (for atlas11) the rotor is standard and the caliper also but the bracket is just a angle piece of iron, would take lots of man hours to figure it out.

(http://http://www.4xshaft.com/graphics/p%20rotor%20kit%20copy.JPG)
it's on the tom woods site i have posted the link too for $250usd.
you could possibly adapt a x-engineering one for less money.


peter henry
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Post by: isle of man on March 25, 2007, 12:03:06 PM
link to x-eng............. http://http://www.x-eng.co.uk/

(http://http://www.x-eng.co.uk/Images/X-Brake%20Disco2Small.jpg)
£150gbp




peter henry