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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: Warthog on October 31, 2007, 01:15:41 PM

Title: johnny Joints Control Arms in pro
Post by: Warthog on October 31, 2007, 01:15:41 PM
Well, the large learning curve on suspension mods has been finally jumped on (again) and after the successful destruction of axle mounts (TWICE) The fixed polybush arms that came with the 4" kit for Asylum TJ are being scrapped! Cheers Terraflex :smt023 ) If you are gonna pound on your truck that bit more often. Long Arm would seem to create less force/stress on the mounts chassis and axle.

Top arms are stockers and are next to get it! They twist a tad too much now :wink:





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Post by: Mike Pavelin on October 31, 2007, 02:19:41 PM
Should've got RE Superflex lower arms to start with. They have the large JJ at the axle end for lots of flex in all directions and retain the stock rubber bushing at the chassis end which is better at soaking up stress creating forces on the mounting than a poly bush.
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Post by: Warthog on October 31, 2007, 05:37:43 PM
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
Should've got RE Superflex lower arms to start with.


Spend money on branded products?
Na, that would of spoilt the fun making them :wink:
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Post by: dtooth on October 31, 2007, 06:04:55 PM
i've got those superflex arms (second hand) wondered what end went where  :banghard:
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Post by: Steve B on October 31, 2007, 06:24:05 PM
They look wicked, I love it when people make stuff rather than buying off the shelf.

My current project for my TJ is a true flat skid. I have removed the std. and jacked the gearbox up as far as I can. With a bit of clever relocating of the AV mounts I can put a flat plate underneath. This should gain about 3" of ground clearance.

I have 1" engine lifts, 1" body lift. The 4wd linkage is being relocated. And a subframe made for the AV mounts. All I will need to buy is a Driveshaft kit from Tom Woods in the States.

The drawing is of the linkage relocator, this will just be mounted to the gearbox and not the body/gearbox.

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Post by: Bubba on October 31, 2007, 06:44:46 PM
sweet
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Post by: Mik on December 10, 2007, 09:07:43 PM
Quote from: "dtooth"
i've got those superflex arms (second hand) wondered what end went where  :banghard:


Rubicon Express have the JJ at the axle end whereas Clayton for example favours the JJ at the body end.

I think there are more reasons for the Clayton way of thinking.
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Post by: dtooth on December 11, 2007, 04:08:02 AM
To honest Mik i've run them both ways and the only thing i've noticed is the knocking i get if i run them jj axle end  :?
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Post by: Mike Pavelin on December 11, 2007, 08:50:51 AM
I would just say that the stock bushings absorb a lot of shock and stress. If you have Jhonny joints, heim joints or the like at one end of the control arm, I wouldnt use a poly bush at the other end. The stock bush is more forgiing and is likely to reduce the risk of breakage.
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Post by: Mik on December 11, 2007, 09:06:45 AM
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
I would just say that the stock bushings absorb a lot of shock and stress. If you have Jhonny joints, heim joints or the like at one end of the control arm, I wouldnt use a poly bush at the other end. The stock bush is more forgiing and is likeley to reduce the risk of breakage.


+1
Title: Re: johnny Joints Control Arms in pro
Post by: Mik on December 11, 2007, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: "Warthog"
Top arms are stockers and are next to get it! They twist a tad too much now :wink:





You can have this little collection for £50 if it helps
(http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/th_DSCN6667.jpg) (http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/DSCN6667.jpg)
Title: Re: johnny Joints Control Arms in pro
Post by: Asylum on December 11, 2007, 08:33:54 PM
Quote from: "Mik"

You can have this little collection for £50 if it helps
(http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/th_DSCN6667.jpg) (http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/DSCN6667.jpg)


Is that a pair or singular mik? Can it be used for front and rear uppers or just front?

Cheers
Clayt

PS Just got some more JJ's to keep Hog busy again for a while. He must hate me. Got projects coming out of my ears on my truck, so much so he hardly has time to work on his own!!!!
Title: Re: johnny Joints Control Arms in pro
Post by: Warthog on December 11, 2007, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: "Asylum"
Quote from: "Mik"

You can have this little collection for £50 if it helps
(http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/th_DSCN6667.jpg) (http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/DSCN6667.jpg)

Is that a pair or singular mik? Can it be used for front and rear uppers or just front?

Cheers
Clayt

PS Just got some more JJ's to keep Hog busy again for a while. He must hate me. Got projects coming out of my ears on my truck, so much so he hardly has time to work on his own!!!!



Those arms are gonna be "No Good" on 404 axles  :lol:  :lol:
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Post by: daggie on December 12, 2007, 02:00:05 PM
if you don't want them & they are a pair, I'll have them  8)
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Post by: JamesH on December 12, 2007, 04:23:46 PM
It looks like a spare upper link from Clayton longarms and a couple of JJs taken apart??? The link wouldn't bolt in to standard suspension if this is the case, I got the impression Mik was just offering you it to dismantle and use parts from??? I'll be corrected I'm sure.
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Post by: Mik on December 12, 2007, 04:53:16 PM
Quote from: "JamesH"
It looks like a spare upper link from Clayton longarms and a couple of JJs taken apart??? The link wouldn't bolt in to standard suspension if this is the case, I got the impression Mik was just offering you it to dismantle and use parts from??? I'll be corrected I'm sure.


Sorry if I wasnt clear, I didnt mean it to be a quiz. Youre quite right James, the spare upper link (new) could be easily butchered for components and the two Joints (Daystar 2" (new)) are for 'build your own upper arms type people' and are unfinished for welding into your own fabrication.
Title: Re: johnny Joints Control Arms in pro
Post by: Mik on March 11, 2008, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: "Mik"
Quote from: "Warthog"
Top arms are stockers and are next to get it! They twist a tad too much now :wink:




You can have this little collection for £50 if it helps
(http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/th_DSCN6667.jpg) (http://http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/MikStan/DSCN6667.jpg)


Still got this lot cluttering up the shop.

Anybody ?