Post by: Manda on May 09, 2008, 06:01:17 PM
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Biofuel in diesel 'wrecks engines'
Thousands of motorists could face huge repair bills following complaints that biofuels introduced by the Government can cause jellyfish-like blobs that destroy engines.
Since April 15, all petrol and diesel sold on forecourts has had to contain 2.5% biofuel, which is typically made from crops and vegetables.
But, experts say the fuel is having a crippling effect on some vehicles, particularly those using diesel because not all garage tanks have been properly cleaned.
It means bacteria are getting into the fuel and reacting with its vegetable and cereal base, producing 'blobby' lumps that can clog filters increase engine wear and destroy pipes and seals.
Since the biofuel content was introduced, garages claim to have taken an increasing number of complaints from motorists who have unwittingly introduced the contamination into their fuel tanks.
Garages are now being warned that they must flush out their fuel tanks regularly to prevent problems.
A Department for Transport spokesman said 'strict quality standards' were in place for biofuels but 'there needs to be good housekeeping at fuel stations'. (Daily Mail)
And thought it may be food for thought.
Post by: Lornaben on May 10, 2008, 12:51:16 AM
It all begs the question, why are we growing fuel when we should be growing food ?
Bio fuel means someone's starving ....
Post by: gordy on May 10, 2008, 08:12:43 AM
Post by: gordy on May 10, 2008, 08:12:59 AM
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 10, 2008, 08:15:31 AM
B is for bandwagon.
B is for bullshit.
Post by: greggmo on May 10, 2008, 10:18:53 AM
Post by: Tragic on May 10, 2008, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
B is for Biofuel.
B is for bandwagon.
B is for bullshit.
Elloquently put Mike, and absolutely spot on
Post by: MuckShifter on May 10, 2008, 05:34:36 PM
Quote from: "Tragic"
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"B is for Biofuel.
B is for bandwagon.
B is for bullshit.
Elloquently put Mike, and absolutely spot on
Yup x2
Post by: greggmo on May 10, 2008, 09:35:18 PM
Post by: daggie on May 10, 2008, 09:58:13 PM
does this also mean that the price will come down by 2.5% as it don't come from the oil barrel?
errrrrrr................ NO :lol:
Post by: brian reid on June 22, 2010, 07:07:07 PM
some modern engine will handle bio diesel very well,the car maker will tell you if you ask if the engine can run on bio diesel,i an sure scoda and vw and merc are ok but please check with these companies.
i have used bio 100,this is 100% bio deiesel in my 2.5td 1998 cherokee and there was no problems in running at all,no lack of power,no hard start,just ran like a normal diesel,i did at the time notice a price diffrence,at the time derv was about £1.05 per ltr,i was filling up for less then 0.80p per ltr with bio diesel from a company that makes more than 60,000 ltrs per day and can sell out in a morning,truck,buses taxis all filling with this gold,and all made from waste veg oil,that would normaly be burned or dumped by the local council.
the carbon and sulpher emissions from running on bio diesel are near nil,your car should breeze through its emissions test, even older engines.
you can by kits to make bio diesel from ebay etc for arounf £400 plus,if you have a source for used veg oil that free of very cheap you are talking about cost of around £0.30 per ltr,bet that got you sitting up.
bio fuels are the future,like it or not,but the oil we drill from the sea beds will not last for ever,there is around 40yrs of oil in the north sea alone,as oil wells run down fuel prices will hit the roof an you will not be able to afford a gallon,think about it!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Tank on June 22, 2010, 08:10:25 PM
Post by: isle of man on June 22, 2010, 08:19:44 PM
Post by: Tank on June 22, 2010, 08:21:39 PM
PHAT RIDE!!!
Not referring to me are you Mr H?????
Post by: tim_aka_tim on June 22, 2010, 08:22:43 PM
economies are dependant upon it. Taking oil out of the picture would result in the collapse of
civilization as we know it. Meanwhile, farmers get subsidised for producing corn and oil seed rape,
which is also used for food, thus pushing up prices at the supermarket. 80p/litre diesel wont seem such
a good deal when a loaf of bread costs 5 quid.
Post by: isle of man on June 22, 2010, 08:24:48 PM
Post by: brian reid on June 23, 2010, 11:44:37 AM
car companies claiming there cars will not run on bio diesel is rubbish,the engine will run,but there may be item of rubber in the fuels system design that may fail,the car companies could get round this if they wanted to.....scoda seems to have done this,loads of scoda taxi,s round here running on bio at £0.87 per ltr last time i checked if you can get the stuff.
some bio diesel companies will deliver to your door free of charge if there out collectiong in your area,they eliver in 50 gal drums and you can pump it in at your leasure
as for bio diesel causing people to go hungry,most bio diesel is made from used cooking oils that would normaly go to land fill sites,the firm that are making it collect from local dinners,often free of charge as dinners have to pay local councils to take it away.....a good way of making some serios money,,,by the way,macdonald,asda,stagecoach,many local councils,all use bio diesels to name a few
Post by: tim_aka_tim on June 23, 2010, 06:40:02 PM
were to start using it, even Bubba couldn't eat enough chips to satisfy the need for it. It's easy
to sit at a keyboard saying this and that, but remember that the world runs on oil. The oil companies
aren't going to let that change. They have something the environmentalists don't - money, and money
buys votes. If big oil had no part in this, we'd all have water engines or deLoreans with Mr Fusion
reactors.
Post by: The Smiths on June 23, 2010, 09:02:33 PM
I agree with oil companied fighting it - but others may look at it as the future way for them to make money.
There are crops that can be grown in the desolate areas of the planet, where other crops will not grow - cactus, which give a high yield of oil suitable for bio - not suitable for consumption.
I also presume oil companies are fighting wind turbines and hydroelectric technologies as these also reduce the consumption of fossil fuels?
Post by: tim_aka_tim on June 23, 2010, 09:17:12 PM
I also presume oil companies are fighting wind turbines and hydroelectric technologies as these also reduce the consumption of fossil fuels?
Not particularly. In the US, very little power is generated from burning oil. It's mostly coal and
nuclear, along with some solar and wind. None of this touches the oil companies bottom lines.
It's all very well if Europe goes biofuel, but geography dictates that Americans need to drive, cus
everywhere is so far, and public transport is an expensive luxury left to big cities. We still have large
coal and oil reserves and are of the attitude that if China and India are gonna spew crap into the
asmosphere, them we may as well too - it's all the same air. Meanwhile, Europe cripples itself
with high taxation and high prices as some kind of eco-warrior - making no difference whatsoever
as China makes up any reductions in CO2 output very quickly.
The only way the US will go green is if there's money in it. The money is in turn 'donated' by
large companies to political parties in return for favourable laws that help said company make more
money.
Post by: Bubba on June 23, 2010, 09:20:59 PM
Post by: The Smiths on June 23, 2010, 10:15:55 PM
i totaly agree when will europe grow some balls and get real
Yep
Post by: isle of man on June 23, 2010, 10:21:16 PM
Post by: Bubba on June 23, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
Post by: brian reid on July 14, 2010, 07:57:38 PM
2.5td cherokee 1998
50k miles,never missed beat on bio and pure veg,engine still purrs like a kitten and its at 150k miles.
the only thing i notice is change in my pocket,last week,pure new veg oil at £0.72p per ltr
i must have saved 100s of pounds over the last 4 years
now i am off for a pint
c u all ltr
Post by: Bubba on July 14, 2010, 08:09:08 PM
the only real thing that dont sit well with me is is it a good thing to grow fuel on the land that would otherwise grow food with so much hunger in the world
Post by: scrw on July 14, 2010, 08:15:46 PM
Or maybe he was bullshitting me and using sea water from the gulf of mexico :hysterical:
Post by: ivanidea on July 14, 2010, 09:11:29 PM
Since one of our by products is tallow (animal fat), I assume we will be processing that. We have been using tallow as a substitute for heavy oil in our boilers (and pay duty to the government :icon_rolleyes:) since 1996. It is only logical to refine it and use it to power our vehicles. Unfortunately, it won't be a staff perk :010:
Post by: brian reid on July 15, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
mcdonalds and asda/walmart run on bio collected from there outlets,many bus companies are turning to bio,stagecoach are on bio and firstgroup have used it, as the emissions are super low on this stuff it ideal for citys where local councils are red hot on emissions.
also if a company has a low carbon footprint there is massive gains to be had with regards to tax and not getting fines.
its the way forward,as long as we can get the balance right,but i do think to myself why they have not redesigned the diesel engine do handle heavier oils like pure veg,it can be done,they just dont want to because they are hand in pocket with the oil companies it plain to see.......the first diesel engines ran on peanut oil
food for thought
Post by: brian reid on May 03, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
next week i take 100 ltrs for £0.25 per ltr unfiltered from another supplier.
life is good
keep jeepin