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Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: bunnykins on October 14, 2008, 11:40:19 PM

Title: What offroad tyres is best for GC ?
Post by: bunnykins on October 14, 2008, 11:40:19 PM
i have road tyres at the mo, what do you recommend for offroad and where can i get some from ? thks
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Post by: tim_aka_tim on October 15, 2008, 01:10:38 AM
For 100% offroad use, then mud terrain. However, if this is your road vehicle, then you might prefer something a little less aggressive, because you will have to live with them day to day. Mud tyres are noisy and uncomfortable compared to your road tyres. Consider some all terrain tyres, or 'AT'. ATs are a cross between road and mud tyes. They're not as good as muds, but easier to live with. I can't make any recommendations as I never has ATs.
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Post by: gazjeep on October 15, 2008, 07:06:53 AM
Had BF Goodrich 235 AT's on my XJ & they were great. Really good on road & surprisingly good off road too.
Did some particularly interesting lanes with em on & they were very good.

IIRC, general Grabbers are also recommended  :wink:
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Post by: JamesH on October 15, 2008, 09:43:15 AM
Goodyear AT/Rs were pretty good on my XJ when I first got it. They're really tough (same structure and sidewalls as the more aggressive MT/R) and did a lot of road miles. At the time they were about £20 cheaper each than BFG ATs too.
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Post by: BK on October 15, 2008, 10:56:46 AM
In my opinion paying £100 ish a corner for offroad tyres to take em offroad is a complete waste of £££.......what happens if you rip a sidewall out on a rock???youll really be pissed off then and your wallet will be £100 lighter...either find summat cheaper or do what I do and get as set of cheapo wheels (I paid a pound for mine off ebay)and put some offroad remoulds or cheapo tyres on them for froading and keep your road tyres for the road.............anyway if you are gonna do some harsh offroading all terrains will be useless in mud they just clog up and it dont matter what make you buy,my mate has em on his 90 WITH an air locker and to see it in mud youve just gotta laugh cos its crap it spins out everywhere
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Post by: gazjeep on October 15, 2008, 01:22:36 PM
Thats a very valid point  :wink:
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Post by: bunnykins on October 15, 2008, 09:48:56 PM
thanks for all your comments

do people have 2 sets of rims - one for road and one for offroad ?

so do people buy rims and tyres off ebay ?
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Post by: Lornaben on October 15, 2008, 10:33:26 PM
Yes and yes  :wink:
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Post by: MOCAJ on October 15, 2008, 10:34:23 PM
we run muds all the time on our TJ's

No probs as long as you dont expect the truck to handle like a go kart  :wink: and they are daily drivers
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Post by: TJMart on October 15, 2008, 10:39:36 PM
I run muds on mine all the time :-D
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Post by: BK on October 15, 2008, 10:45:04 PM
Quote from: "bunnykins"
thanks for all your comments

do people have 2 sets of rims - one for road and one for offroad ?

so do people buy rims and tyres off ebay ?


yup an yup
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Post by: Nosebolt on October 15, 2008, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: "bunnykins"
do people have 2 sets of rims - one for road and one for offroad ?

I live with the ride and have Goodyear Wrangler M/Ts on the CJ7, but I don't do a lot of road miles (I let the wife do the booring driving  :lol: )

Quote from: "bunnykins"
so do people buy rims and tyres off ebay ?


buy from whoever gives you the best value, could be ebay but don't take it for granted and shop around

the set-up you end up with will depend on how you use the vehicle, on road/off road miles, is it your only/main car etc.
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Post by: Bishops Finger on October 15, 2008, 10:58:40 PM
Run General AT'2s for the last 20k on my Grand and better than their old A'T's....used them on road and laning....will swap for M/T's soon...
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Post by: Nexus on October 16, 2008, 09:52:42 AM
Run BFG MT's on the TJ all the time, basically can't be assed with swapping tires + 5off  33.5 x 10.5 tires are a pain in the ass to store.  It's my only vehicle and the MT's make it more fun in the wet or frost  :-D

Cheers
Nick
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Post by: Dave69 on October 16, 2008, 07:55:50 PM
i been running kingpin all terrains (remoulds) for the past year and they have worn just under half the tread. good grip on the road and in the wet not too noisy and work well in the mud also. they were impressive at mudfest this year. cost was less than £40 a tyre. couldn't justify the bfg prices i just dont see the point in paying for a name
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Post by: BK on October 16, 2008, 08:04:58 PM
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i been running kingpin all terrains (remoulds) for the past year and they have worn just under half the tread. good grip on the road and in the wet not too noisy and work well in the mud also. they were impressive at mudfest this year. cost was less than £40 a tyre. couldn't justify the bfg prices i just dont see the point in paying for a name


yup,dont see the point in paying an arm and a leg to thrash em off road,just buy some cheapos
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Post by: Dave69 on October 16, 2008, 08:16:41 PM
what size rims do you have as that can dictate what you can and can't have
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Post by: bunnykins on October 16, 2008, 11:46:54 PM
i have marauder ma-s1 = 225/70R16  [ 102H ] came with the jeep. when i bought the jeep i said to the dealer the tyres were worn, so he put 4 new ones on. they are road tyres are they any good or rubbish  :-? as long as its grippy in snow / ice / gravel should be ok.............oh and mud  :lol:
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Post by: bunnykins on October 17, 2008, 12:04:10 AM
Quote from: "Dave69"
i been running kingpin all terrains (remoulds) for the past year and they have worn just under half the tread. good grip on the road and in the wet not too noisy and work well in the mud also. they were impressive at mudfest this year. cost was less than £40 a tyre. couldn't justify the bfg prices i just dont see the point in paying for a name


which kingpin model did you go for ? thks
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Post by: tartanzj on October 20, 2008, 02:37:16 PM
Quote from: "bunnykins"
i dont use it much just weekends and only local so can put cheapos on prob go for MTs ? or ATs ? cant decide  :lol:


You'll get better grip in snow and gravel with AT's but in thick mud it would need to be MT's. On ice it doesn't matter what you have cos you'll have no grip at all  :lol:

I run BFG AT's on my grand as my everyday tyre and would highly recommend them. I'm generally having to traverse fields most weekends and they do fine but when I am going specifically off-road to play then I change my wheels to dedicated mud tyres.

I would recommend you stick to an AT just now and see how you get on. You'll find after your fist few off-road encounters that its the low slung belly thats the GC's problem so you may look at putting a mild 2" lift on and getting a larger tyre to use off-road. That way you'll save yourself a few quid in the long run.
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Post by: Dave69 on October 20, 2008, 04:48:31 PM
trackers..... but these are on 15" rims

now got a set of 16" rims so still deciding on what to fit
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Post by: bunnykins on October 20, 2008, 08:28:38 PM
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Quote from: "bunnykins"
i dont use it much just weekends and only local so can put cheapos on prob go for MTs ? or ATs ? cant decide  :lol:

You'll get better grip in snow and gravel with AT's but in thick mud it would need to be MT's. On ice it doesn't matter what you have cos you'll have no grip at all  :lol:

I run BFG AT's on my grand as my everyday tyre and would highly recommend them. I'm generally having to traverse fields most weekends and they do fine but when I am going specifically off-road to play then I change my wheels to dedicated mud tyres.

I would recommend you stick to an AT just now and see how you get on. You'll find after your fist few off-road encounters that its the low slung belly thats the GC's problem so you may look at putting a mild 2" lift on and getting a larger tyre to use off-road. That way you'll save yourself a few quid in the long run.


what make / price are the 2" lift, does it just means the springs are longer ? does it need longer shocks, and i suppose wheel againment ?
is it in kit form so that any tyre shop and do the conversion ? thks
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Post by: Bishops Finger on October 20, 2008, 09:53:00 PM
2" lift will be longer shocks and spacer pucks or if you go 4WD shocks and springs

As for fitting...in theory its not  to much of an issue but wouldn't try tyre depot

Been plotting such a lift for 9 months..just havn't got the ability to do it myself.. :cry:
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Post by: Mike WJUK on October 21, 2008, 09:03:20 AM
I have run a set of BFG mud terrains full time for the past 3 or so years, daily driver, family camping holidays, motorways etc, etc, plus offroad at Kirton, Tong, various green lane trips and had no bother with them. Still loads of tread left. Handle amazingly well considering what they are. Don't really think they are much worse on the road than the standard fit Goodyear Wranglers. I just don't expect to be able to throw it around like on a road tyre (its a Jeep not a sports car after all!). They are a bit noisy at low speed and slightly less comfortable but i don't mind.
To here a sad couple comment in earshot of my wife "what does she need those tyres on for to come to Tesco's?" makes 'em worth it :lol:
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Post by: tartanzj on October 21, 2008, 11:19:25 AM
I got my 2" lift from http://www.rocky-road.com/grandbudget.html (http://www.rocky-road.com/grandbudget.html) with the shocks. IIRC cost about £120 inc delivery and taxes. You will need to do a realignment for the front or you will have uneven tyre wear.

I got a mechanic to install mine as I wasn't comfortable about doing it back then but having now done a 4.5" lift myself I can say it is a pretty straightforward job. Get a loan of a set of spring compressors and you would have it done in an afternoon easy.  :-)
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Post by: wazza on October 21, 2008, 07:15:45 PM
ive got a 2inch budget boost (spacers) on my grand with standard lengh shocks, its not been any problem as the standard ones are long enough!!!

i also have 31 inch bfgoodrich all-terrains, that are fantastic!!
i didn't rate them till i got a set an now i definatly dont agree with the people that say your only paying for a name!

you've really gotta get youself bogged down or in a funny possition befor your compleatly stuck, an if its your first go at offroading i wouldn't reccomend anything else!
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Post by: Bishops Finger on October 21, 2008, 10:19:33 PM
BFG A/T's do seem pretty agressive :lol:

Plus with BFG  reckon you do get the miles from them...
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Post by: wazza on October 21, 2008, 11:13:47 PM
i do use mine as everyday tyres an theyre wearing really well!!!

i always looked at them an thought what a load of crap, there're just road tyres, but sice i got a set im trully amazed at how good they really are!!!