Post by: xr6jeeper on October 21, 2008, 09:53:35 PM
I make cages for drag racing etc, we use chromoly which is very expensive so i wondered if off road spec cages were the same.
Cheers
Geoff.
Post by: isle of man on October 21, 2008, 10:10:57 PM
Post by: Nosebolt on October 21, 2008, 10:24:10 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 21, 2008, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: "isle of man"
hmmmmmm interesting - i have a poison spyder cage and that was the best i could find at the time.....you may have found a little project for yourself here in my opinion.
I dont suppose you know the wall thickness do you? the reason i ask is because i was going to make one for my cj, based on the rock crawler rigs in the states. If i used cromoly id probarbly have to sell a kidney, but if i can use a thick wall cds it would make it easier on the wallet and i could get away with just selling the missus.
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 21, 2008, 10:35:28 PM
Quote from: "Nosebolt"
dont know about offical specs but we have allways used 50mm seamless with 3mm wall min
Ah! thats interesting, cheers dude.
Post by: scrw on October 21, 2008, 10:36:52 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 21, 2008, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: "scrw"
should be on here somewhere http://www.msauk.org (http://www.msauk.org)
Had a look , cant find anything, cheers dude.
Post by: scrw on October 21, 2008, 10:50:13 PM
http://www.safetydevices.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=49 (http://www.safetydevices.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=49)
Post by: isle of man on October 21, 2008, 10:50:25 PM
(http://http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/krawlfreak/new%20buggy/buggy005.jpg)
Post by: scrw on October 21, 2008, 10:55:26 PM
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulati ... llies.aspx (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIACross-CountryRallies.aspx)
Post by: Nosebolt on October 21, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
http://www.alrc.co.uk/new%20regulations/rbq03.htm (http://www.alrc.co.uk/new%20regulations/rbq03.htm)
Post by: isle of man on October 21, 2008, 11:00:21 PM
Post by: scrw on October 21, 2008, 11:04:31 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 21, 2008, 11:12:56 PM
Quote from: "scrw"
http://www.safetydevices.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15&Itemid=35
http://www.safetydevices.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=49 (http://www.safetydevices.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=49)
Yep! thats what i was looking for many thanks mate.
Ive fitted a couple of those bolt together cages in drift cars, but if im honest they should change the rules and make them fully welded.
Then again skidding about isnt that dangerous, is it.
Geoff.
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 21, 2008, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: "isle of man"
my chassis is all 1.75 dom....
(http://http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d161/krawlfreak/new%20buggy/buggy005.jpg)
Nice chassis iom, what running gear and suspension are you using?
Geoff.
Post by: isle of man on October 21, 2008, 11:53:28 PM
built th400
(upgraded Kevlar clutches,sprag,deep pan,art carr reverse manual valvebody w/compression braking and 32 spline output)
art carr 2200 stall rock crawling torque converter
stak 2 speed monster box(5.44) w/1350 front and flange rear
high angle drivelines:
front/two piece 1350 at transfer case and 1410 at pinion
rear 1350 c.v and 1410 at pinion
axles:
front/chevy kingpin dana 60 (4.56)
arb
chromo 35 spline inner/outer shafts
longfield 300m joints
s&n fab drive slugs
mad hysteer arms
howe double ended ram
bluetorch cover
½ ton brakes w/ sams offroad brackets
1410 yoke
full width 69.5”
rear:
corp 14 bolt f/f (4.56)
detroit
½ ton disk brakes with great lake brackets
1410yoke
four link front and rear with 16" fox coilovers
Post by: doublej on October 22, 2008, 12:59:40 AM
It looks a lot like the Blue Torch Fusion Chassis?
I hate to thread jack but what are you gonna use this for? Don't tell me just pay and play?
Post by: isle of man on October 22, 2008, 01:12:23 AM
Post by: Mick O on October 22, 2008, 08:46:40 AM
Quote from: "isle of man"
it's a shaffer diablo chassis for going to the mall obviously!!!
Can I come :lol:
Post by: JamesH on October 22, 2008, 10:36:02 AM
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 22, 2008, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: "JamesH"
Can you build me a cage?? I've been looking for a while and had some outrageous quotes
Who me! or isle of man.
Geoff.
Post by: JamesH on October 22, 2008, 11:55:11 AM
I.O.M has some cool toys but I don't think he's a fabricator.
P.S. I didn't open the links above but the cages I have enquired about use CDS or T45 tube in 45mm O.D.
Post by: isle of man on October 22, 2008, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: "JamesH"
I.O.M has some cool toys but I don't think he's a fabricator.
don't have the time to fabricate - in fact don't have much time at all for anything other than work.
and go the mall.......
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 22, 2008, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: "JamesH"
You!
I.O.M has some cool toys but I don't think he's a fabricator.
P.S. I didn't open the links above but the cages I have enquired about use CDS or T45 tube in 45mm O.D.
It might be possible, but i cant do it pronto as ive got a major chassis job on at the moment.
Let me know what kind of cage you want ie , 4 point or 6 point etc etc and i might be able to help out .
Geoff.
Post by: JamesH on October 22, 2008, 09:41:16 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 22, 2008, 09:50:12 PM
Quote from: "JamesH"
Absolutely no rush at all, I have quite specific ideas but they are only ideas. Kind of semi-internal, semi external cage and justed wanted to know someone that might be able to do it. I have to do some body reinforcements first becaue it's a unibody on a Cherokee.
Okey dokey james, give me a shout nearer the time.
Geoff.
Post by: greggmo on October 23, 2008, 09:11:52 PM
Post by: JamesH on October 24, 2008, 09:38:35 AM
Post by: doublej on October 24, 2008, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: "JamesH"
The only quote I have had was about £120 per 6m length and that was through an engineering company that I have contacts in.
Whats size tubing is that and what wall thickness, its not far off what ive been quoted.
Quote from: "JamesH"
What total length of tube would you expect to use on a Cherokee size cage with (probably) six body/frame mounting points (3 main hoops)??
that my friend only you can answer, tape measure basic shapes of where u want the hoops and always round up. no matter who you are, when you start making anything with tubing - it goes quick.
or if your good ole Ponyracer, it quickly goes across the street in the grass!?!?!
Post by: JamesH on October 24, 2008, 10:57:14 AM
I'll get some picture of NAXJA later, have you got any of Ponyracer's cage.
P.S. I think the tube was something like 1.75" OD 0.120" wall CDS but it may have been a metric equivalent, 45mm OD 3mm or 3.5mm wall. It was a while ago and I was enquiring about it to build a tube bumper not a cage so this may not be the right spec for a cage.
Post by: Nosebolt on October 24, 2008, 03:27:36 PM
Supplier:
Fred R Powell & Son Ltd
Unit 1 Avonside Ind Park
Avonside Road
BRISTOL
BS2 OTS
0117 9717971
Quote:
44.45x2.64 CDS TUBE 5.6mtr LENGTHS £42.34
47.63x3.25 CDS TUBE 5.6mtr LENGTHS £63.50
7-10 DAY DELV.
IF YOU WANT A LARGE QUANTITY
AT ONE TIME WE CAN GET YOU A
BETTER PRICE...
Prices plus vat
If you want to order your self, feel free to call them, quote ref; 298511 and my name (Bruce)
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 24, 2008, 10:26:12 PM
Post by: greggmo on October 24, 2008, 11:06:31 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 25, 2008, 12:12:13 AM
Quote from: "greggmo"
oi hang on before ya run off :lol:
Sorry greg! i didnt mean to piss anybody off, you guys an gals seem to know what youre doing, and where to get the best materials to do the job so i thought id bow out gracefully.
The roll cages i make take a fair while to design and build, so i couldnt really give a price without having the jeep in the workshop and discussing what the owner wants .
Theres so much to it..... 4 point... 6 point .. then theres the cage that goes through the floor and links into the chassis.
At the end of the day what it boils down to is a lot of work .
I would like to think that one of my cages would save a life. Providing the person in the vehicle had a 5 point harness on and the seat was mounted correctly theres no reason why they shouldnt be able to take a big tumble and walk away laughing.
Ive had a roll cage i made crash at 300mph and the guy walked away , what more can i say.
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 25, 2008, 12:18:13 AM
Post by: greggmo on October 25, 2008, 12:39:25 AM
Post by: Nosebolt on October 25, 2008, 12:53:14 AM
True there’s a few on here who could build a rig from the tyres up, but I bet there’s a few who would have trouble fitting seat covers
And every skill level in-between.
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 25, 2008, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: "greggmo"
you aint pissin no one off mate. all is cool. it would be nice to see an external cage available for jeeps that dont cost an arm and a leg ya see. i am gona fab some stuff for mine soon and i know it will take time but its all good fun. i enjoy making stuff for the jeeps but sometimes it would be nice to see the stuff available at a fair price for those who cant make their own. get designing somethin mate cos i am sure there is a market. :wink:
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 25, 2008, 10:04:41 AM
Quote from: "Nosebolt"
Geoff we need members willing to make kit for those who can’t or don’t have time.
True there’s a few on here who could build a rig from the tyres up, but I bet there’s a few who would have trouble fitting seat covers :-)
Post by: JamesH on October 25, 2008, 10:07:39 PM
The last enquiry I made was for a front 'cage' (A+B pillars, external A and internal B - like a lot of Landrovers have) and it was £1200 +VAT. I'd like to have a 'fullsize' cage for that kind of money, something that would protect me and a lot of the body of the vehicle during a typical off road roll accident (i.e. not 300 mph, just a slow tumble, 3 at worst).
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 25, 2008, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: "JamesH"
Having someone who can bend tube and fit it to a vehicles is actually quite a hard find! Just because some of us know what to use and have design ideas doesn't mean we can build a cage. I'd be happy to pay several hundred pounds + materials for a cage that had some of the design ideas I wanted.
The last enquiry I made was for a front 'cage' (A+B pillars, external A and internal B - like a lot of Landrovers have) and it was £1200 +VAT. I'd like to have a 'fullsize' cage for that kind of money, something that would protect me and a lot of the body of the vehicle during a typical off road roll accident (i.e. not 300 mph, just a slow tumble, 3 at worst).
Ill have a look at a few landy pics, to get an idea of what youre after james.
Post by: captain cavalier on October 25, 2008, 10:27:23 PM
they hire out pneumatic pipe benders which are not very big and should be cheap to hire
Post by: Warthog on October 25, 2008, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: "xr6jeeper"
Ill have a look at a few landy pics, to get an idea of what youre after james.
Basic truck cab lardie cage (External)
(http://http://birtydastardsjeepclub.com/forum/userpix/343_Roll20Cage206_1.jpg)
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 25, 2008, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: "Warthog"
Quote from: "xr6jeeper"
Ill have a look at a few landy pics, to get an idea of what youre after james. :wink:
Post by: Warthog on October 25, 2008, 11:02:38 PM
Post by: xr6jeeper on October 26, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: "Warthog"
If you really want to research cages for Jeeps then; http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/ (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/) is a good place to start :P
Post by: Bubba on October 26, 2008, 11:28:16 AM