Post by: brendjill on January 28, 2009, 10:25:27 PM
Post by: MOCAJ on January 28, 2009, 10:32:24 PM
make a difference but no more mpg
sound good though and can shock a few of the local maccies boys
Post by: brendjill on January 28, 2009, 10:33:33 PM
Post by: MOCAJ on January 28, 2009, 10:45:20 PM
more acceleration
Post by: brendjill on January 28, 2009, 10:50:27 PM
does it improve acceleration or just make noise
Post by: Bishops Finger on January 28, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
Post by: scrw on January 29, 2009, 05:42:58 AM
Post by: JamesH on January 29, 2009, 10:52:38 AM
Post by: greggmo on January 29, 2009, 05:55:02 PM
Post by: isle of man on January 29, 2009, 06:12:03 PM
Post by: Bubba on January 29, 2009, 07:34:19 PM
Post by: wazza on January 29, 2009, 09:11:54 PM
if you look at it, the top half befor the butterfly is already 60mm but just after the butterfly it necks down to 55mm - its this bit you need to boar out!
ive hear'd thats a better solution than the spacer but ive also heared about people boaring both out an having beter results from it!
personally i'd go for just the TB first!!!
Post by: scrw on January 30, 2009, 09:15:16 AM
done quite a few like that
Post by: dxmedia on January 30, 2009, 11:30:18 AM
If you bore out the ventui your get a great placibo effect, but you'll also slow the air down going into the inlet.
Why dont the OEM's fit these?
Post by: Panic mechanic! on January 30, 2009, 11:45:14 AM
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I thought that the reason they got narrower was to create a venturi effect which accelerates the incoming air into the plenum / inlet, which has more effect than boring out the throttle body.
this is how a normal carb works , the venturi help the air draw the fuel into the air stream and helps mixing it, on a fuel injected engine the throttle body is just used to meter the air that flows thru it, the fuel being injected straight into the engine so hence it doesn't do anything other than control air flow. It tends to be set at a diameter that allows for better mpg. the act of opening up the throttlebody will merely allow the engine to suck in more air and create more power, where you have to be careful is it tends to create more power higher up the rev range and leaner running in the lower rev range.
Post by: JamesH on January 30, 2009, 11:45:58 AM
The throttle body spacers don't do a great deal, most manufacturers now would just tune the inlet manifold better rather than fit a spacer. The change in torque curve might reduce peak numbers (generally measured at higher rpm) so on paper it may even look like a reduction in performance, even if it feels better to drive.
Saying this, I have a Hesco one fitted to my 4.0l
Post by: mack on January 30, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
Would that be of any 'benefit' ?
Post by: wildwood on January 30, 2009, 12:14:04 PM
Bloody great induction tube and the largest air filter in the cleanest coolest path of air. Keep the tube short as well.
Turbo city do good ones along with others.
Free flow exhaust box, does't have to be expensive or stainless or unobtainium, just to help the buggar breath. Lose the cat if you can??!
All the rest is cash down the dunny, or the equivalent of a chav taking his nova to halfrauds.
Just my opinion of course.
Post by: greggmo on January 30, 2009, 09:31:39 PM
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What about fitting an induction kit?
Would that be of any 'benefit' ?
yup great for performance but a snorkel is a must if ya gonna do lots of off roadin really.
Post by: Bishops Finger on January 30, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
Post by: greggmo on January 30, 2009, 09:50:47 PM
Post by: dxmedia on January 30, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
Unless your planning on driving through lakes at P&P sites, I personally don't see the benefit of a snorkel
Post by: greggmo on January 30, 2009, 09:59:41 PM
Post by: dxmedia on January 30, 2009, 10:27:46 PM
Post by: Lornaben on January 30, 2009, 10:35:26 PM
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if you stop in the water for some reason or you nose into somethin a bit sharp a splash is all it takes to scrap the lump. i aint sayin ya gotta have one but i just think it is one less thing to worry about. :imwitstupid:
I have no intention of going that deep in water but before I fitted one I had managed to get water and mud into the airbox. Only good fortune and a paper filter stopped it trashing my engine 8-)
Post by: MOCAJ on January 31, 2009, 07:19:54 AM
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heh, and a new engine is cheaper than a propper snorkel
that is some strange logic
Post by: dxmedia on January 31, 2009, 11:39:03 AM
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Quote from: "dxmedia"heh, and a new engine is cheaper than a propper snorkel
that is some strange logic
Not at all,
Personally I never think that sinking a car is a good idea, alternator will die, ECU's will suffer, carpets get we and stink. Not getting a car that deep is the solution, and if worst case happens (which is hasn't yet) I'd drop another lump in rather than scrapping the car.
I'm not looking to buy a snorkel though due to the fact that it only protects the air inlet, not everything else on the motor.
I think it's strange logic which makes people put snorkels on a car and then driving through water up to the top of the windscreen.
Post by: wazza on January 31, 2009, 12:09:07 PM
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you can diy the tb with a 65mm flapwheel on a pillar drill
done quite a few like that
how well does that work on a standard 4ltr? or say a 4.6?
where do you get the 65mm butterflys from or do you make them up yourself?
im a believer that a snorkel is a good thing definately!!!
my reason for getting one was when my group all went to fricly, we all saw the pictures an heared the storys about people drowning their vehicles, so we all vowed not to go in any water.
:lol:
the ecu will be fine as its plasti-coted inside its box an all the plugs are sealed, the only lectrics that might sufer are things like windows til the wirings compleatly dried out, as for alternator, mine still charges like a trooper an that been under water more times that out of it. another good thing to a snokel is you can run your axle an gearbox breathers up to it aswell.