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Title: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 27, 2009, 08:43:27 AM
Any big issues I will find?
Found a pair cheap, and was planning to regear my XJ axles but this way I will get better brakes, a D44 & decent steering all in one. I know I will still need to regear & sort out the spring seats & shock mounts on the rear, but what issues will I have on the front end?
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: captain cavalier on April 27, 2009, 08:51:29 AM
look at K4s idea on rockznrutz


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Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: greggmo on April 27, 2009, 09:25:20 AM
pointless link mate. no one can see behind the velvet curtains  :gayfight:
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: captain cavalier on April 27, 2009, 09:53:54 AM
Sorry

Basically its the guy who drives monska

He needed a new back axle for his zj  and had an axle for an xj

so he dut the tubes off the zj axle and welded them onto the xj axle

way above my know how but there must be people on here who can do stuff like that
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 27, 2009, 11:42:59 AM
No benefit me doing something like that.

D44 in the back should be easy enough with leaf spring platforms to weld on. More interested in what issues I will have on the front end.
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Bishops Finger on April 27, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
SCRW  You are making a lot of posts about Boggy Holes and front ends......You've not gone all Graham Norton have you???
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: dxmedia on April 27, 2009, 12:58:49 PM
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Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: captain cavalier on April 27, 2009, 01:04:38 PM
some people have too much time on their hands
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Mike Pavelin on April 27, 2009, 02:42:43 PM
The hubs are 5 on 5" so your wheels won't fit for a start, and they need to be 16" to clear the front calipers. The rear diff pumpkin is aluminium so can be a tad fragile. If they're Vari-Loc axles you get a variable limited slip both ends but parts for them are difficult to come by. You get big disc brakes all round. The front knuckles are high steer so you will have to rework the linkages. The ABS sensors might not be compatible with your system.
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 27, 2009, 03:46:02 PM
Wheels, knew that, also pumkin. Steering I think I will need to use a shortened WJ steering link. ABS..hmm, anyone know if the abs tone rings on jeeps have the same tooth count front / rear?
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Mike Pavelin on April 27, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
.........and the front axle yoke is for a CV jointed propshaft......
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Dave69 on April 27, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
isn't the ally dana44 classed as weak compared to others, the yanks on the other side of the pond dont bother with them
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: garyf on April 27, 2009, 07:01:19 PM
wouldnt some 2.5 Petrol axles do the job for ya 4.10 Gearing ??
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 27, 2009, 07:16:14 PM
No ABS
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 27, 2009, 07:23:11 PM
going 4.56 anyway.

Front end swap maybe more hassle than its worth, may just do the knuckle conversion with WJ outers on a XJ axle and look at a KJ 8.25 rear axle  :-?
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: isle of man on April 27, 2009, 08:28:47 PM
Go Dana 60's
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Bishops Finger on April 27, 2009, 09:43:59 PM
Three Holes as well as Rings end....somewhat perturbing...
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 27, 2009, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: "isle of man"
Go Dana 60's

You obviously don't know how tight I am  :lol:
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: dxmedia on April 27, 2009, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: "scrw"
Quote from: "isle of man"
Go Dana 60's

You obviously don't know how tight I am  :lol:


This back to graham norton?
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Bishops Finger on April 27, 2009, 11:15:01 PM
Err....
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: greggmo on April 28, 2009, 09:31:19 AM
stick some yota axles under it mate.
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Dave69 on April 28, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
the toyota owners complained when the axles were downgraded to dana 44's
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 30, 2009, 09:55:55 PM
Found someone who has done the WJ knuckle conversion on a RHD XJ & is still running 15"s, just emailed for details, hopefully post some info up when I have it
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Bishops Finger on April 30, 2009, 10:02:38 PM
What will it do to the fuel consumption tho.....?
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on April 30, 2009, 10:07:36 PM
Depends if you get cought around the axle or I go straight over you :finga:
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: Dave69 on May 01, 2009, 05:31:37 AM
why do you want to keep the ABS ?
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on May 01, 2009, 08:23:05 AM
Insurance reasons
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: JamesH on May 05, 2009, 09:25:24 AM
Do the WJ axles use the same type of ABS system as on an XJ?? If they use different tone rings, voltages or a single tone ring in the diff like some axles have I can't imagine you'll be able to make it compatible with the XJ computer.

Also, WJ axles are wider and doing the front-end steering and brake swap isn't exactly a straight forward and 'budget' modification.

I just ditched the ABS system on mine and have the C8.25 rear axle and WJ conversion on my D30, running 33's and planning to go 35+ when I can gather the 4.88s and other parts (going ARBs I think :twisted: ) together.
Title: Re: WJ axles into an XJ
Post by: scrw on May 05, 2009, 10:06:25 AM
Slight change of plan, just bought a ford 8.8 rear axle, doing the regear on the axles then doing the WJ knuckle conversion later