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Title: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on April 29, 2009, 01:02:37 PM
Last week I cleaned all water out of the foot wells and dried the carpets before refitting them and today I found that the drivers footwell has some water in it and I don't think it's condensation. The car has not been driven and there was strong rain yesterday so I'm assuming it won't be from the bottom but somewhere from the top.

Any known leaks I should look for?

Cheers
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: mikejeep on April 29, 2009, 01:30:25 PM
I experience the same problem, but mine is a cherokee.

It looks as if rain water is coming down my "A" pillar.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Roland on April 29, 2009, 01:44:15 PM
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Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: captain cavalier on April 29, 2009, 03:11:31 PM
I had water coming into drivers foorwell on my xj

It was the seam at the top of the wing

unbolted wing re seam sealed now no probs
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on April 29, 2009, 09:15:08 PM
Took half the dash apart and couldn't find any signs of leakage so decided to hose it down and there is plenty of water coming through drivers door seal. The seal isn't damaged so I'm a bit puzzles why so much water is getting through.

New seal needed or will it make no difference?

Cheers
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: MOCAJ on April 29, 2009, 09:52:56 PM
replace it,  i did one on my 97

got it from 4wd, you have to drill a few new holes but you get a sexy template to help  :-D
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on April 29, 2009, 10:34:49 PM
I not likes drilling holes in my Jeep  :-o

Can it not be avoided?
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: MOCAJ on April 29, 2009, 10:46:32 PM
to be fair its better than the original seal

dont be worried about drilling holes, as you mod it your going to be doing lots of that
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on April 29, 2009, 10:50:10 PM
I take it for the drivers door I should buy for a passengers door?
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: MOCAJ on April 29, 2009, 10:54:39 PM
yep, that was the one i replaced too, gets more use i spose  :wink:
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: gazjeep on April 30, 2009, 07:21:42 AM
Quote from: "Roland"
http://www.birtydastardsjeepclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4008&hilit=water+footwell

Holy thread resurrection batman  :wink:
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on April 30, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
Quote from: "my other cars a jeep"
to be fair its better than the original seal

dont be worried about drilling holes, as you mod it your going to be doing lots of that

Is it better because it's Omix (that's what 4WD sells) or because they are with grommets?

If I understand it correctly all TJs from 1999 had grommet style door seals which I'm assuming can be obtained from Lighthouse. But if Omix are better then I have to get them shipped from 4WD.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: MOCAJ on April 30, 2009, 12:42:16 PM
i think the one from 4wd was an omix, it has grommets that fit into holes so not relying on the fixing into the rail as original fitment.

It is a much better idea, as mine had stretched and was always popping out. As mentioned the template made drilling the holes easy.

Why not phone lighthouse and see what they offer, they may have a similar conversion  :wink:
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on April 30, 2009, 01:36:23 PM
They only have originals and then while looking through some catalogue he found a template kit but they never ordered it.

Which parts of the door did you have to drill? Just wanna see if that's where mine is letting in water.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: MOCAJ on May 01, 2009, 07:55:35 AM
a new original style one will be ok, it has lasted 12 years  :-D
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 01, 2009, 10:00:25 AM
I'll get a set from Lighthouse, less hassle and hopefully they'll be all right.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 06, 2009, 04:47:32 PM
A set of door seals was delivered from Lighthouse yesterday. They had grommets (I call them clips), so the railing at the bottom of the door had to go and I drilled holes all around the bottom half of the door for the clips. The seal fitted nicely and I was pleased with myself until I fitted the door back to the Jeep and attempted to close it. The seal was getting caught between the door and hardtop and I had to cut off a big chuck to be able to close it.

Apparently nobody had problems with them before... not impressed tbh.

(http://http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/tadaska/cutdoorseal.jpg)
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: MOCAJ on May 06, 2009, 06:21:02 PM
mmmm, looks like you will be calling 4wd after all

thats nasty,you should have sent it back tbh before cutting  :shock:
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 06:42:31 PM
this may sound stupid but that seal looks wrong,it looks likes the wrong side has been fitted to the door?
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 06, 2009, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: "Panic mechanic!"
this may sound stupid but that seal looks wrong,it looks likes the wrong side has been fitted to the door?

I thought so too but I just don't see how it could fit the other side  :-?

I'll send the other seal back and if this one can keep the rain out I'll leave it like that if not it's 4WD.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 07:00:55 PM
where are you in this fine country?
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 06, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
West Sussex, I'm on the member map  :wink:
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 07:06:08 PM
shame you weren't closer to the midlands,otherwise you could have brought it round and we could spend a day working it all out lol
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 06, 2009, 07:14:18 PM
Don't know if later TJs have different doors or hardtops but if not then it's either a badly designed or badly made seal.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 07:26:57 PM
looking at the pic , it looks like the profile of the seal is wrong, from what I can see a normall tj seal is a balloon seal with a flat edge on one side kinda like this in profile OI and your seal has an outer edge lip, which seems completely wrong.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Nosebolt on May 06, 2009, 07:48:20 PM
doors are over rated anyway  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 07:53:27 PM
yup slow you down getting to the kebab shop but they keep it dry when its raining
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 06, 2009, 07:54:03 PM
The old seal has the lip too, it goes around the glass area of the door. But is facing out not in. The new seal also has a second lip at the front side of the glass area - one facing in and one out like O<. I guess it's an "improved" seal or something...
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: PtP on May 06, 2009, 07:57:38 PM
I can’t really contribute too much to this other than here are some photos of my standard trim which seems to fit fine. I hope they help!

(http://http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/mmore514/DSCN4973.jpg)

(http://http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/mmore514/DSCN4974.jpg)

(http://http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/mmore514/DSCN4975.jpg)

(http://http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/mmore514/DSCN4978.jpg)

(http://http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/mmore514/DSCN4979.jpg)
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 07:58:16 PM
pm sent
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 07:58:43 PM
that helps a lot pete, thanks
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 07, 2009, 12:17:24 PM
My old one looked more or less like the one in PtP's pics.

Has anyone seen something like that:

(http://http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/tadaska/seal1.jpg)

(http://http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/tadaska/seal2.jpg)

(http://http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/tadaska/seal3.jpg)

(http://http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/tadaska/seal4.jpg)

(http://http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa66/tadaska/seal5.jpg)
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 07, 2009, 12:20:45 PM
They are made by Crown and replace parts # 5017462AF and 5017463AF

Can anyone verify those numbers are correct for my TJ?
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 07, 2009, 12:29:30 PM
those are the numbers that crown have in their catalogue
http://www.crownautomotive.net/catalog/body/TJ.html (http://www.crownautomotive.net/catalog/body/TJ.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
 but that seal just looks completely wrong, it might be worth emailing them and double checking.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Bulldog67 on May 07, 2009, 12:31:07 PM
:shock: isnt that a sign of witchcraft or summink  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: PtP on May 07, 2009, 01:12:01 PM
All the bits and pieces I’ve had from Lighthouse branded Crown have been spot on, but I’ve never ordered door seals.

It looks like you have some sort of upgraded part for providing a tighter fit, but they obviously aren’t working properly for your TJ. I assume that all TJs from ’97 – ’06 have the same seals, so I don’t understand why yours aren’t fitting properly.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 07, 2009, 02:17:28 PM
I'm confused myself, nobody else apparently had any problems...

I'm gonna ask people on the other side of the pond what they think.
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: captain cavalier on May 07, 2009, 02:53:20 PM
Who cares about wet feet

your wearing sandals
Title: Re: Water in the drivers side footwell
Post by: Jeeper Creeper on May 07, 2009, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: "Bulldog67"
:shock: isnt that a sign of witchcraft or something  :smt100 :

Don't make me curse ya !