Post by: Jeepthang on May 06, 2009, 05:57:21 PM
Post by: tim_aka_tim on May 06, 2009, 06:33:45 PM
maximum legal on-road rating is 55 watts
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 06:39:32 PM
Personally my xj's lights are fine and well up on output just a case of making sure everything is working as it should.
Post by: momos on May 06, 2009, 06:41:30 PM
I`m not sure i likes em, they are usually followed by a gapping exaust the size of a 2l coke bottle... :-?
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 06:43:41 PM
Post by: momos on May 06, 2009, 06:45:50 PM
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 06, 2009, 06:48:28 PM
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 06, 2009, 07:17:11 PM
Post by: gazjeep on May 06, 2009, 07:29:23 PM
Post by: Jeepthang on May 06, 2009, 07:31:44 PM
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
Get some Phillips Vision Plus. More light but the same wattage. Mansfield sell them or try your local accessory store.
Cheers Mike, I'll get some of those.
Thanks for all the other suggestions but I really don't want to muck around with the electrics at the mo. Just wanted some some "quick fix" replacement bulbs.
Post by: gordy on May 06, 2009, 07:55:51 PM
Post by: Jonny Jeep on May 06, 2009, 08:25:55 PM
Seller has Philips Extreme too...
http://http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/brighterbulbs_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZ
Post by: PtP on May 06, 2009, 08:40:44 PM
I have factory fitted HIDs on another car and the light output is well worth it!
They also only run at 35watts which might put less strain on the dodgy standard XJ wiring.
(http://http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/9/8/6/1/7/webimg/140606260_tp.jpg)
(http://http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/9/8/6/1/7/webimg/140606467_tp.jpg)
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trks ... Categories (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1311&_nkw=h4+hid+kit&_sacat=See-All-Categories" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Post by: scrw on May 06, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 07, 2009, 07:07:11 AM
Quote from: "scrw"
retro fitted HIDs are not MOT legal. A mate is an MOT tester and they look out for them, fine as auxx lighting but not headlights unless factory units
There is nothing in the MoT test that dictates this as long as they operate correctly, are a matched pair, are substantially white and are correctly aimed.
Post by: scrw on May 07, 2009, 07:55:43 AM
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 07, 2009, 06:50:49 PM
Post by: scrw on May 07, 2009, 07:08:10 PM
gov says no.
".....In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:
Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
Telephone: 020 7944 2078
Fax: 020 7944 2196
Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk "
Post by: tim_aka_tim on May 07, 2009, 07:16:51 PM
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 07, 2009, 07:25:24 PM
Perhaps you'd like to see the manual........ http://www.motuk.com/mot_manual/1-2.asp#14 (http://www.motuk.com/mot_manual/1-2.asp#14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Post by: scrw on May 07, 2009, 07:43:12 PM
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 07, 2009, 07:52:50 PM
Post by: scrw on May 07, 2009, 07:57:48 PM
same hymn sheet etc
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 07, 2009, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: "scrw"
Yep, but get pulled by the fuzz and you will get a ticket for it
Isn't that police brutality?
Post by: Dave69 on May 07, 2009, 08:27:42 PM
http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoHeadlightLoom.htm (http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoHeadlightLoom.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
if you want the HID conversion then you need the hi-low type with the ballast resistor.
this is one example of a motorcycle fitment. As for legality as long as the beam doesn't dazzle other drivers and the beam lights up the correct area on the chart then it isn't an mot failure.
http://www.extreme-lighting.co.uk/hid-c ... n-kit.html (http://www.extreme-lighting.co.uk/hid-conversion-kits/motorcycle-hid-conversion-kit.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
most HID kits are for use in additon to main beam or fog lights etc. If your not sure about the legality of the kit being bout ask the seller for confirmation
Post by: Dave69 on May 07, 2009, 08:29:27 PM
Quote from: "scrw"
My tester mate has failed them on pattern as they do not create the correct pattern in a halogen light housing, all reto fitted HIDs he has tested so far failed the pattern test
take bulbs out fit noraml bulbs, pass mot then refit the HID bulbs
Post by: scrw on May 07, 2009, 09:12:21 PM
Post by: scrw on May 07, 2009, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
Quote from: "scrw"Yep, but get pulled by the fuzz and you will get a ticket for it
Isn't that police brutality?
LOL, sexual abuse
Post by: Dave69 on May 08, 2009, 05:33:52 AM
Quote from: "scrw"
yeah but you would give an insurance company a great excuse to get out of a claim tho
i bet if you rang the insurer they wouldn't increase the premium as it doesn't affect the vehicle in regards to power output or structual.
no insurance hike for lifted jeep and larger wheels from AF so i realy doubt they would increase it for some light bulbs. As for the police not liking them, again it is down to individual opinions, most will not even bother unless directed by the senior officer which again it is not in the public interest like most number plates fitted to vehicles with wrong sizes and fonts
Post by: scrw on May 08, 2009, 07:30:16 AM
Post by: Nosebolt on May 08, 2009, 09:59:52 AM
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 08, 2009, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: "Nosebolt"
Surly a legal compatible part does not qualify as a mod, if it did then fitting a different brand of tyres, pattern engine service parts or even seat covers would nullify your insurance, I know I’m pushing an argument to its absurd extreme, but we are talking about light bulb FFS
for arguments sake and small minded pettyness the parts you are talking about there Nosebolt are manufactured to original specifications even as pattern parts,so can be fitted, the headlamps are slightly different because they should be stamped with the correct bulb to be fitted, any other type of bulb fitted voids their legality patternwise.
there is a simple answer tho, if you have an accident kick your headlamps in so they can't tell!
Post by: Jeepthang on May 08, 2009, 11:52:24 AM
Post by: Panic mechanic! on May 08, 2009, 12:03:54 PM
Post by: Mike Pavelin on May 08, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
Post by: tree man on May 08, 2009, 01:24:27 PM
but I improved the lights on my XJ by replacing the units. When I removed the old ones and had a good look I was suprised at how much of the reflective coating was yellowing/rusting giving the units the refective capability of soil. Need to hunt around as most of the light units I've seen to be on the way out.
Post by: Dave69 on May 08, 2009, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
BTW, talking of MoTs, they have just reinstated the full checks on number plates so if you're going for a test and you have iffy 'plates, take them off and put proper ones on as testers will be being extra vigilant at the moment so as not to be caught out by VOSA.number plates have always been an issue especially with the police as the ANPR cameras can only read std fonts and std size plates. anything smaller and they cant read it clearly so the number isn't logged.
common sense comes into play with changes to a vehicle and whether you inform the ins. company. back to the light issue if you had a crash in the daytime then there would be no reason for the insurance company to wangle out of the deal. At nightime there might be a reason (for a small company) but i'd be surprised if they did.
watch the light switch on an xj as it will overheat and be tempermental with high output bulbs
Post by: Jeepthang on May 08, 2009, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
BTW, talking of MoTs, they have just reinstated the full checks on number plates so if you're going for a test and you have iffy 'plates, take them off and put proper ones on as testers will be being extra vigilant at the moment so as not to be caught out by VOSA.
MY MOT guy said to me to just get some correctly spaced plates made up and stick them over the "incorrectly" spaced plates on the XJ just for the MOT. Easily removed when you pass.
Post by: chrisjones on May 11, 2009, 07:53:54 PM