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gramps99

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anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« on: November 25, 2010, 12:23:47 AM »

hi,
      all being well i should be collecting this xj at the weekend. can anybody shed any light on the make of the front bumper ? i want to find out to give me an idea of what its worth second hand along with the winch, as i will possibly be selling them on  :100:

any ideas or comments welcomed, thanks in advance






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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2010, 07:56:45 AM »

Not sure of the make only ever seen then in us mags
As rock crawler use then when dropping off large rocks to stop then going arse over head
Looks like the stinger parts comes off ot might not look so bad with that removed ay be worth £100
To offroader ?
Unless it's on a large lift it's going to be like a plough
The winch looks like a warn xp these are about £500 new I think
I do like the look of that Cherokee even thought of going to have a look as its not too far from me
Hopefully all the mods are done ok and steering and caster has been corrected properly
Have the axles been regeared?
Enjoy it they get under your skin  :icon_super:
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2010, 10:38:44 AM »

looks like this bumper, but mounted out further and bigger hoops on



Expect £200/250 for the bumper - they are well made (if the same one).

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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2010, 12:56:09 PM »

Looks like a Rigid Co one - the same as The Smiths' one but with a larger stinger bar - possibly added on afterwards.

If I was in the market for one I'd expect to pay £200, maybe more if in good nick, all fittings provided and if someone sprayed it black for me  :003:
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 03:26:49 PM »

looks like you may have a customer :icon_super:
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2010, 10:14:06 PM »

Your winch will be worth a minimum of £300 on ebay i would of thought and they are more like £1200 brand new :icon_winkle:
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2010, 10:13:43 AM »

I think I'll stick ith my ARB but you'll have no problems selling it I predict  :greggmo:
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2010, 11:00:00 PM »

Winch is a Warn XD9000i and expect at least £300 on Ebay and at least the same for the bumper,as they are about £5-600 plus shipping etc depending on rates of exchange,see here
http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.aspx?jeep-sid=238&plID=689&partID=13760
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2010, 03:33:10 PM »

Well WHAT A DAY :jpshakehead:

Booked train tickets down to lancing from Burton on Trent for me and a mate to go get the jeep. got up at 4.45 am left for train station and the conditions were blizzard like, felt a bit bad that my other half had to drive back in the snow and dark alone after dropping us off.

Got on train at 6.10 am after a few changes we arrived at Lancing just after noon.

Well this is were things started to go down hill  :icon_toilet:

I didn't buy the jeep, reasons listed below.

I had asked about the bodywork as i admit i am fussy, in the advert as below it stated 'excellent' bodywork, also a big point was made that the vehicle although built for offroad use had never been used offroad.

The bonnet had a dint at the top with creased edges i.e it couldn't be popped out it would need filling/spraying

The drivers wing had a dent at the top that may of pulled out but below this the panel was again out of shape, so much so that the large plastic arch was an inch from the metal at the tip of the arch.

The boot lid.....well the bottom edge of the boot was lower than the bumper ! i could see it wouldn't clear the bumper so asked if it opened. he tried to open it as per normal, no chance. so he climbed in the boot and while hammering at the inside while my mate pulled at the outside it still wouldn't budge 1 eventually it did force open, obviously the leading edge of the boot needed sorting and the bumper dropping down 5mm  :banghead: i mean come on who tries to sell a car like this ? i wont try to describe the sound as the boot was continuously slammed to try and get it to shut, i was grimacing oh and although wedge down it wasn't closed as the dash light was still on.

The drivers door scuff guard/trim on the outside had a 2 inch piece missing/snapped off.

When stood at the front of the jeep Stevie wonder would of been hard pressed not to notice that when the passenger wheel was facing straight ahead the drivers was sticking out by a fair bit also the steering wheel agreed this, he said it needed tracking but i am not so sure, i thought maybe due to the lift, read this can happen when lifting ?

I specifically asked if it went through the offroad box (2/4 neutral smoothly which he replied in a message was perfect. well needing 2 hands to make one of the shifts didn't inspire my faltering confidence

Again even though it was never meant to have been off road evidence suggested to me it had, mud stains on the seatbelt and mud splashes on interior panels

Basically i was disappointed  :icon_sad: while as my mate pointed out i could get the bodywork sorted for the money the guy was going to knock off it just didn't feel right and i had lost all confidence in all he was saying, the oil dint look like it was changed only 200 miles ago etc so i walked away dejected

To cut a long story short we were stuck in lancing tying to find a way home, tickets that had cost us £27 pre booked were now £160 back as they obviously weren't discounted for pre booking them  :011:

We ended up going through London / on the underground which i didn't fancy having all the cash on me

I finally got home at 10.45pm !

So an expensive day out and nothing to show for it

If the guy had been honest in his description i would of known it wasn't for me, if it wasn't described as excellent bodywork and never offroad ed then i wouldn't have gone all that way

Tbh the price he lowered it to is probably worth it to somebody that will use it for what it is ultimately built for and somebody that will add more dents etc

Anyway the search continues..

heres the original add

This is an extremely sad & reluctant sale of my much loved ‘top of the range’ Jeep Cherokee Orvis. I can honestly say that the only reason it is up for sale is that, with the pressures of both work & family commitments, I just don’t have the time to enjoy it to its full potential as I had originally hoped. Unlike some sellers on ebay & for your peace of mind, I will be totally honest in both it’s brief history & description…   

When 1st registered, the Jeep was initially used, in standard format, as a demonstration model. It has since had 2 private owners from new & finally myself. The retired gentleman I was lucky enough to buy it from earlier this year was a very wealthy man. Within the grounds of his property, he had a huge barn filled with several historical cars – must have been thousands of pounds worth! Being a 4x4 fanatic, it was this previous owner (who owned it for 6 years) who spent a small fortune on all of the modifications you see on the Jeep today. As the Jeep was one of several cars within his private collection, it had never actually been used off road & had very little use on road. In fact it spent a lot of time in dry storage (hence the very low mileage). Eventually when he did decide to sell it, I was lucky enough to be the next owner.     


As you can see by the pics, this is no ordinary Jeep. The modifications were  installed professionally, approx 2 years ago. The result is the ability for improved off road performance with minimal effect to on road driving. Although it has never been off road, this Jeep will perform superbly off road & also happily cruise on the motorway at 70-80 mph all day long. The jeep also has the huge benefit of having only done 34,000 mls from new. Everything works perfectly & I would not hesitate driving anywhere within Europe in complete confidence that it would not let me down (unlike many other 4x4’s !).


Being the ‘Orvis’ model, this Jeep was ‘top of the range’ when manufactured. Further details of the jeep are listed below, starting with some of the standard fitments & followed by the modifications (most of which are fairly new):-


 Superb & powerful ‘bullet proof’ 4.0 engine (the Jeep is both quick of the mark & cruises very well)
Only 34,000mls from new supported with service history / previous MOT’s (last major service recently completed in August 2010)

Excellent body & paintwork (polishes up really nice)
Selectable 2wd or permanent 4wd ( high & low ratio )
Unmarked full leather charcoal interior with nice wood affect trim
Fully adjustable electric front seats (both passenger & drivers)
Electric windows (front & rear)
Adjustable steering column
Power steering
Cruise control
Heated wing mirrors
Air conditioning
Dash mounted CD changer
Electric ariel
On board computer
Remote control central locking
Factory fitted alarm/immobiliser
Heavy duty rear load liner
 Roof rails

Supplied with a highlift jack 
Full 5” suspension lift kit ( manufactured by Rusty's - a proper American kit ) 
33 x12.5 x15” BFG mud terrain tyres fitted to steel wheels (full set of 5)
Wheel arch extension kit kit (to accommodate the larger tyres)   
Detroit lockers (front & rear)
‘Quick release’ front anti roll bar (can be disconnected to improve articulation when driving in extreme conditions off road)   
Heavy duty front winch bumper
‘Warn 9500i’ winch (with remote control) – supplied with all operating instructions & manual     
Heavy duty rear bumper (with fitted tow bar)
Heavy duty under body protection (underbelly skid plate & rear tank guard)
Stainless steel performance exhaust system (sounds awesome & gives approx an additional 10-15 bhp)
Fully waxoyled & under sealed throughout (to keep the underside all in ‘tip top’ condition)
 The Jeep is MOT’d until mid July 2011 & taxed until end January 2011. It had a major service in August this year during which all oils etc. were fully replaced. The new owner will be very lucky & not have to spend any money on the Jeep until the next service is due. To be very, very fussy, the only item the new owner may wish to address at some time in the future is the warn winch. As with the other modifications, this was fitted brand new 2 years ago – it does work, but can be a little tempramental, mainly due to not ever having been used!   


I have all the original owner’s handbooks & associated documents etc. The Jeep will also be supplied with 2 sets of keys. In summary, this is a very nice truck that gets a lot of attention wherever you go. As mentioned before, it has never been off road, despite all the modifications. I have used it as my 2nd car since ownership, mainly for weekend use & the occasional trip to work. My kids love it & it brings a huge smile to my face when ever I jump in. The only reason I have decided to sell is because I can’t justify keeping it along with the other cars we have in the family. Also with 3 young children I just don’t get any spare time to take it off road & enjoy it to its full potential as I originally hoped to.


Winter is soon approaching, so if your looking for a brilliant, superb, well kept, un-abused & reliable 4x4, than look no further !! This beast will get you anywhere- in style, safety & comfort !!   


Finally, please only bid if you are a serious buyer. This is a great & rare opportunity for you to own this superb Jeep. I have set a very low & reasonable reserve – at a fraction of the cost of which it took to modify. You will not find another one like this at such a great price. If you have any further questions, then please either email or call me on 07795 335728.

Please note that I have just had to relist this item as the previous winner never contacted me or responded to my calls. This is a great vehicle, so please, no more idiots or time wasters!!


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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2010, 03:46:14 PM »

Why do people do that, do they really think buyers wont notice that they've been told lies  :jpshakehead: and when were the photo's taken  :017:

How much did he drop the price by ?

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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2010, 03:57:49 PM »

Makes you frigging mad, well done for walking away, its not easy but if it wasn't to be for you, you would have had no confidence in it & not enjoyed it  :icon_winkle:
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2010, 06:55:17 PM »

It was sold and relisted before you bought it
The money the guy was asking it should have been faultless
Sorry to hear about your expensive day better that than buying a load of trouble
Better luck next time  :icon_rolleyes:
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2010, 10:54:07 PM »

thanks for the replies guys, thought i might get slated as on the whole i guess the problems could of been put right, but it would of been hassle sorting out a body shop and i had expected it to be better than it was even tho i tried to prepare myself that it wouldnt be as nice as the pictures.

also somebody else had asked for extra pictures but he said he didnt have time to take any  :icon_sad:

i was honest with the guy and said i havent come with the intention of trying to knock you down, i honestly would of preffered to have gone and the jeep be as described and paid the full amount. he did drop it by a fair amount in my eyes to be fair to the guy (my mate was trying to get me to buy it as he knew we would struggle to get home and acted as the go between getting him down £400 which like i say was fairly decent but my mind was already made up by this point unfortunately, i didnt try to knock him down further as it just wasnt for me and i didnt want the guy to think i was a messer.

ahh well you live and learn i suppose
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2010, 11:01:01 PM »

i am glad you were wise enough to walk .......makes me mad when folk pay out good money and only get trouble


i am sure that truck could be a good buy with some tinkering and the right price
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2010, 11:46:28 PM »

You did the absolutely right thing walking away. I struggled with his description that it had never been offroad. You just don't do those kind of mods to a Jeep and then drive it up and down the M6. I'm guessing both he and the previous owner had offroaded it and your findings would seem to back that up. When I find someone has lied to me about something like this then the rest of what they say just loses all creditability, too and it's time to walk.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2010, 06:52:19 PM »

Doors not shutting or opening; isn't a great start to vehicle ownership. Well done for walking.

I don't like adverts like that; buying a car not a story!

From an advert I want to know the spec of a vehicle & get a feel for how its been used etc.
I don't need to see a big long story about how 'lucky he is to have bought it', how bullet proof the engine is or how rich the previous owner was!

Its a big turn off!
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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2010, 08:00:34 PM »

i am glad you were wise enough to walk .......makes me mad when folk pay out good money and only get trouble


i am sure that truck could be a good buy with some tinkering and the right price

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Re: anybody know what bumper this is please ?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2010, 10:10:53 PM »

I always book a return ticket if I have to travel by train to collect a vehicle.
Only costs about 10-20% more and is well worth paying just in case the thing turns out to be a rusty nail.

Also, turn up under your own steam if possible, like in a taxi, it stops the seller trying to make you feel obliged to buy 'cos they have picked you up from the station.

More than once I've been shown a diesel car that is a "first time starter" and found that it has already been warmed up, one seller blaming his son for moving the car without him knowing.
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