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DICK BOOTH

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JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« on: December 10, 2011, 05:03:06 PM »

OK so i have a 2001 xj 2.5td. i bought it knowing it had had a spike in the temperature and was losing water. I previously had a vm xj that overheated and i managed to sort it however this one is proving somewhat more difficult. so here we go;

iv'e had the heads tested and skimmed so there ok
new head gasket
new thermostat
new water pump
there are no leaks that i can find and no blockages
the radiator is good
pressure tested it (pressure gauge on expansion tank and it's holding the pressure)
it's not really steaming through the exhaust from what i can see and the spike in temp that keeps happening is when driving at say 7mph for any length of time

are there any known faults or problem areas i should be looking at as i'm running out of ideas!!
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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2011, 05:20:27 PM »

is the fan working okay?
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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 08:11:24 PM »

have you changed the temp sensor
as they can go faulty ?????
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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 09:42:04 PM »

the temperature sensors are pretty robust, it's the oil pressure sensor that goes pear shaped.

how long did you leave the coolant system rpessurised for and at what pressure ?

(i'd go for 1bar dont go above this as it could cause damage to your radiator. you can go higher but your not checking for integrity only if the system is sealed. I would expect a very slow drop due to hoses etc but if you have a significant leak then the pressure drop would be more noticeable over a longer period of time)

what did the temperature spike to and what was the stable running temp?

did the temp drop to a stable level after then rise again some time later? this could be the viscous operating and locking the fan to provide that extra pull of air for cooling.

just some ideas
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DICK BOOTH

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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 10:56:20 PM »

The fan seems to be working fine and the belts are in good condition. Not change the temp sensor but could be worth a go. The stable running temp is the bar below the 100 mark. (not sure exactly what this is) the spike saw the needle shot round probably 85-90% of the way so i pulled over. before changing the water pump and thermostat the other day the warning light came on.

tested 1 bar for approx 1 min/90 secs, there was a slight drop initially then it maintained a reading just below 1 bar. Fairly confident there are no leaks.

I didn't leave the engine running for long enough really to see what the temp gauge did, it got hot so i pulled over for fear of warping/cracking heads etc.

After doing the thermostat there was more movement in the temp gauge, got up to temp then it dropped after around 2-2.5 miles then the heater got warm. i'm told this is normal!?
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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2011, 02:05:30 AM »

i noticed that my internal rad was causing me to run hotter with no heat. but i changed cullant and flussshed system aand it is ok but engine temp is very cold. at like 40 degrees

what is the normal temp???
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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 12:28:43 PM »

the temperature sensors are pretty robust, it's the oil pressure sensor that goes pear shaped.



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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2011, 02:24:42 PM »

The fan seems to be working fine and the belts are in good condition. Not change the temp sensor but could be worth a go. The stable running temp is the bar below the 100 mark. (not sure exactly what this is) the spike saw the needle shot round probably 85-90% of the way so i pulled over. before changing the water pump and thermostat the other day the warning light came on.

tested 1 bar for approx 1 min/90 secs, there was a slight drop initially then it maintained a reading just below 1 bar. Fairly confident there are no leaks.

I didn't leave the engine running for long enough really to see what the temp gauge did, it got hot so i pulled over for fear of warping/cracking heads etc.

After doing the thermostat there was more movement in the temp gauge, got up to temp then it dropped after around 2-2.5 miles then the heater got warm. i'm told this is normal!?



when i had mine the temperature always sat around the 100 mark with slight fluctuations. The needle did rise to 105 but not into the red. the numbers refer to the temperature.

the pressure test you conducted had the results i'd expect with it initially dropping then staying stable which indicates a sealed system.

with the temperature getting up to temp then dropping after a short period of time is perfectly normal as its a indication of the thermostat working as intended.

when a the temperature rises and people panic they switch the engine off to save it........with the engine off how does it then cool down as there is now no air flow through the radiator and the block then goes into a heatsoak mode slowly cooking itself.

sit with the engine at a fast idle 1,000-1,200rpm as this runs the fan faster thus pulling more air through the radiator improving the cooling of the coolant and block. could be a hard choice to make which is why the electric fans are slightly better as you can have a manual overide to keep them running at a faster speed
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Re: JUST ANOTHER VM OVERHEATING
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 03:50:25 PM »

te,perature shoul sit at around 80/90 mark - if it gets to 100/105 the engine is cooking - the scale is none linear and if it creeps a little past this it will shoot round into the red as the water is boiling in the heads :jpshakehead:

check how clean the radiator is - you need to split the aircon and std rad - or make a tool to get don between them.

Best if no aircon rad, if its broke then rip the rad out and issues will go away.
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