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[Charl1e]

I've had a quote for an LPG conversion for my XJ, I do drive it a lot and intend on keeping it until the end of days to be honest. Here's the quote I recieved today:

Thank you for your enquiry  - your quote is below:

Conversion on ROMANO Italian system, ''Gold Packet'' cost  NOW ONLY £1280.00 VAT INC.


* UKLPG Register on line.
* 2 Y warranty on the conversion
* 2 Y warranty on the parts
* Free Courtesy car for duration of work
* 1000 mile service, free of charge
* 20 L LPG free
* The LPG tank free of choice


The INTELLIGENT system is the ideal controller for your car.
A new generation system.
The microprocessor Sequential Gas Injection Controller has evolved from the tried, tested and reliable system. The controller has been upgraded by used with the second generation Smart Self-Adaptation System.
The main task of the System is the continuous and automatic modification of the gas maps as a function of the engine's rotational speed. Owing to an innovative solution, System provides a more accurate calculation of the dose of gas supplied to the intake manifold of the petrol engine.
Additional advantages
The controller is equipped with an advanced software. The device also allows the manual adjustment of operating parameters based on the gas temperature and the PRMs. In addition, an option of serving Wankel rotary piston engines has been implemented in the controller as well as the ability to read out the engine RPM signal from the camshaft sensor. The software also has the function of releasing the gas pressure during the cut-off and a gas injector warm-up option.
Additional controller software means that the cars with a system controller meet Euro 5 exhaust emission standards.
The advanced technology and the top quality of the product ensure the reliability.
New functions of the controller
• Smart Self-Adaptation System (automatic modification of the gas map as a function of engine rotational speed).
• Correction of reducer pressure at cut-off.
• Injector warm-up at reducer temperatures ≤ 10°C.
• Monitoring of gas injector warm-up (minimization of the occurrence of the engine ECU error - "check engine").
• Capability to serve rotary piston engines.
• Capability to pick up RPM signals from the camshaft position sensor.
• Additional sound signal informing of the engine start in the emergency mode.
• Capability to set a maximum number of emergency starts.
optimal fuel dosage achieving mixtures with the correct stoichiometric ratio
excellent fuel consumption
reduced pollutant emissions
improved performance.
Petrol engines are controlled by an electronic control unit (ECU) which, depending on a number of parameters (such as the air and engine temperature, the quantity of air in the intake duct, engine speed and timing) determines the fuel injection time instant by instant.
The main types of original injection systems for petrol engines are:
indirect injection systems (Port Fuel Injection – PFI) featuring petrol injectors upstream of the intake valves
direct injection systems (Gasoline Direct Injection – GDI / Fuel Stratified Injection – FSI) which feature injectors located in the combustion chamber. This provides an increase in performance and a reduction in consumption and emissions
To convert an injection engine from petrol to LPG/Natural Gas it is necessary to use a second electronic control unit alongside the original ECU. The gas control unit manages the gas fuel supply, optimising engine performance and subsequent emissions.

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Another thing you should consider
is Flash Lube system - it is an additional lubrication system for engine valves.
LPG burns at higher temperature than petrol which in extreme situations can lead
to signs of premature wear of the valves - this risk is even higher in forced
induction engines. The normal cost of this system is £220.00 but at the moment we
are running promotion where you can get our lubrication system for £100.00
Every LPG Conversion comes with
Certificate and every car qualifies for reduction in Road Tax - the newer
the car the more discount as it's all based on CO2 emission
If you have any questions don't
hesitate to contact us - we're here to
help!

Please note that conversion is for multi point injection petrol engines only
Book now and we guarantee you the same price in February
(£120.00 DEPOSIT REQUIRE)




Regards Pawel Dabski
LPG Wales
www.lpgwales.com
07849750029 01633894080
On Jan 30, 2013 11:04 "LPG Wales" <info@icwebdesign.co.uk> wrote:

Is this kit worth the money?? Or is it over priced / no good etc???

[Dave The Sparky]

No idea on the LPG but isnt Romano a sort of cheese

[Charl1e]

I thought jeeps were made in the U.S not Italy 

[Panic mechanic!]

Romano is one of the better kits and the prices is a fair price,I have seen it done cheaper and for a lot more, what you should do is see if you can see one of their jobs so you can see how tidy they are and how professional the install should look.

[Bulldog67]

£1280 lpg kit on a 98 XJ 

That doesnt sound value to me unless you are committed to the XJ for life

Sell it, and then buy one with lpg

[JamesH]

Good price for the kit. If you do the mileage it will pay for itself in savings. When i did mine it took 15k miles to recoup costs and I did that in a year. 8 years ago though so prices have changed - I was paying 29p a litre for lpg 

The XJ was a £5k vehicle back then as well

[Charl1e]

£1280 lpg kit on a 98 XJ 

That doesnt sound value to me unless you are committed to the XJ for life

Sell it, and then buy one with lpg

My XJ's for life, I love it!! & for the price I paid for it & spend on it so far I would never get back, so its pretty much like a marriage now 

[wildwood]

Go for it....I did my YJ about 8 years ago.....and the buzz is filling up for not much coin to travel the country to do your hobby.....

Pay back is a bonus if ya keep it that long........

My YJ is now a trailer queen and goes to 4 events a year.....hopefully more this year...... It still runs LPG and needs a fill every 2 years now......

[Jeepjedi]

Petrol prices are mental, LPG is better but fluctuates alot, If you want to run a Jeep as a daily driver then you gotta find a cheaper way to do it. They run big engines and thats it.

Speculation to Jeep happiness is the key, i would not run my V8 WJ on petrol it would not be finacially viable.  The system price seems around what you will pay whatever make of system you get.

The point being do not see how is will pay for itself.  You wanted a Jeep, now you have one, enjoy it by running it for the price of a regular car.

Its sense and you know it 

[Charl1e]

Is there any downside to LPG, performance wise or reliability?

[Jeepjedi]

not on a 4.0L, the 4.7 V8 is ally so does not like the heat, myself and Jhay have had to sort new head gaskets.

the engines get real hot but the 4.0 seems to love LPG, get it done 

[Bulldog67]

my DD is a 2.5 V6 and categorically loses 25% ish power, but it aint a jeep

[Hillbilly]

Hi Charl1e. I'm not familiar with that system but if other members give it the thumbs up it's a no brainer to get it converted. That is assuming as you say you intend to keep it for a long time. I didn't notice any difference in performance with my XJ. Not sure I would bother with the Flash Lube. I don't think the 4.0 needs it. It was already on one of my jeeps when I bought it and I kept forgetting to fill it. Was running sweet as a nut when I sold it after I put 60k 0n it. Think carefully about where you want your gas tank. Under mount will restrict its capacity and therefore distance between fill ups. A donut in the cargo space will leave you with a full size petrol tank and a decent capacity lpg.
BTW, just got my old receipts out. I paid 1200 sobs fifteen years ago for that conversion.

[ChrisS]

Had the Hemi WK converted very soon after I bought it. I don't do many miles (understatement!), so payback will take a while, but like you, I plan on keeping it a good few years so hope to be in credit by the time it comes to sell it on. I factored in the cost of the conversion when buying - the Hemi isn't a popular purchase due to the running costs, so I got a heck of a truck for a good price.

On the daily grind, it returns pretty much the same cost per mile as our other regular car, a 3L Alfa 166...so not exacly economical, but manageable. Being the sad anorak I am, I've kept a log of fuel used since the conversion, and so far, it's been 6000 miles and £800 saved. It'll take me a while to break even at that rate, but I'm not in a rush.

I went for the Prins system which was a bit more expensive, plus it is an 8 pot so that adds to it.  LPG prices do vary a lot, usually up a bit in winter, down again in summer. There are some pretty cheap LPG suppliers out there, none near me of course....but they can be found.

Used to have an old XJ on petrol and that cost a chunk more to run than the WK does now.

FWIW, I don't see any difference in performance/running/reliability compared to petrol. Then again, I only ran it on petrol for about 2 months before getting it converted.

Systems do vary, but the one on mine starts on petrol than switches over to gas once it's warmed up a bit. I fitted a coolant pre-heater last year and use even less petrol now. I never put more than 1/4 tank in it - no point in carrying it around and risk it going off.

On a slightly technical note, what injectors are they using on that kit?  The Keihins are the best by far. Most problems seem to come from using cheap injectors.