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IrishCJ6

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XJ Exhaust sensor
« on: March 17, 2016, 09:13:21 PM »

Guys another question from the old man, he has a engine management light that has been coming on intermittently which has been tracked back to the rear sensor in the exhaust behind the cat. He belives it's not important and wants to know if this can be bypassed  (I. E. Joining get the wires together). Anyone done this or have any suggestions.  The reason for this is the cost of a new sensor in NZ is expensive and he remembers doing something similar on his TJ when they removed the cat.
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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2016, 09:16:02 PM »

I believe the rear sensor is for cat efficiency and doesn't affect the running of the engine, that's done by the pre cat sensor. Not sure you can join the wires though.


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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2016, 10:34:45 AM »

The rear sensor is for monitoring cat efficiency so it could be a code for a bad cat, rather than a bad sensor. Is it a face lift model? If so, is the Pcode available as it may reveal more.

As far as sensor cost goes has Rockauto been priced up?
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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2016, 10:39:49 AM »

Yes RockAuto/US part has been priced and is a viable option. The thing is, this is an offroader and if it's not critical for operating then it's just another thing to go wrong so the idea was to remove it.
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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2016, 10:44:40 AM »

The rear sensor output to the computer should follow the front output but a slower wave. I've seen posts on jeepforum where people have removed the cat and extended the bung so the sensor sits out of the exhaust gases more and this has worked to trick the computer that the cat is ok. If it's a sensor problem I suppose it depends what the fault is as to what could be done to try and fix the code. Which is why the Pcode would be useful if available.
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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2016, 12:59:53 PM »

I've removed the cat, removed the sensor and never had any fault codes. I would make sure that is the source of the fault code / check engine light before buying new parts. The sensor may just be doing it's job and there may be something else going on. My MAP sensor failing caused O2 sensor fault codes but that's just because they were doing their job and detecting rich and irregular running.
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LairdScooby

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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2016, 10:22:33 PM »

I'll throw in my two penn'orth here as although it was a different vehicle, most of it is relevant.

Took my Rover 827 coupé for MoT on friday and all was going well until it went on the emissions test. Started off OK then all of a sudden the CO started climbing. Bringing the revs up made it climb even faster!

The PGMF-i ECU on that is equipped with two LEDs, one yellow and the other red. The yellow one comes on either flashing or steady for too high or low an idle speed respectively and the red one flashes a fault code.
At this point the yeloow LED was on steady but if the throttle was blipped, it would stay off until the revs were brought up again and returned to idle.
Knowing the cat has been "sensitive" in the past to getting cold, i took it for a blat up the road and back. This time the results were even worse! Tried a couple of obvious things but no joy so looked big and paid up and drove home.

Two miles from home, the PGMF-i warning light on the dash appeared. Looking under the seat at the ECU, the yellow LED was on and the red LED was giving one solitary flash every few seconds. This signifies the front bank (it's a V6) Lambda sensor so at least the fault was found.
Past experience has taught me to replace both so i've ordered a pair via ebay and popped the old ones out yesterday. The rear bank sensor was greyish-white and the front bank sensor greyish-black.

These are single wire sensors (no heaters) and are cheap to replace (got the pair delivered for under £25) unlike the Jeep sensors.

However the point of all this waffle holds true - they can (and will!) go at any time and usually give a few symptoms first.

I don't know if it's possible to swap the pre and post cat sensors over (only have the one sensor on my XJ) but if the heater is failing/failed in the post cat sensor then it may not be reading correctly. Swapping with the pre-cat sensor will allow more of the heat from the manifold to heat the sensor up and possibly get round the problem. If not the fault may well move with the sensor.
This is assuming that the plugs are the same on both sensors and that they are to all intents and purposes the same, just in different places.

Of course if the fault persists then it could be a faulty cat (blocked) and if it's only used off-road and doesn't need to comply with roadworthiness regulations, you could remove the cat and knock the innards out.
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Mike Pavelin

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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2016, 10:43:23 AM »

If the sensor heater circuit has failed, it'll put up a warning lamp regardless of whether the sensor is reading correctly or not.
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LairdScooby

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Re: XJ Exhaust sensor
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2016, 10:49:41 AM »

If the sensor heater circuit has failed, it'll put up a warning lamp regardless of whether the sensor is reading correctly or not.

Handy to know - does that also apply to pre-OBD systems?
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