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Bubba

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« on: November 25, 2006, 03:48:34 PM »

so how come no one is making a petrol substitute i know its done in brazil so far we only seem to have diesel alternativs has any one used them i know a guy who uses kerosene and says he has no probs int that the same as heating oil :?:  i know there are folks out there running cherryade but its a risk to use but apart from adatives to petrol  i dont know of any substitutes how about you guys
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 02:14:59 PM »

I don't know of any DIY alternatives to petrol. For diesel engines most oils will work - I've heard of heating oil thinned with a little hydraulic oil, used and new vegetable oil (straight or blended) and obviously there's red if you want to chance it.

I like the sound of E85 but with only 1 or 2 filling stations at the moment and some engine modifications needed it's just not do-able. LPG is a good option but prices have risen considerably in the 2 years I've had mine and the tank setup isn't ideal.
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2006, 02:53:39 PM »

If your gonna use heating oil then you may aswell use cherry coz you'll still get done. Heating oil will make the engine run hotter and it 'll have more poke, well it does in a lorry anyway.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2006, 03:03:31 PM »

Quote from: "Dingo"
Heating oil will make the engine run hotter and it 'll have more poke, well it does in a lorry anyway.


You forgot to add 'allegedly.'  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2006, 06:17:59 PM »

Quote from: "V8 Bubba"
i know a guy who uses kerosene and says he has no probs int that the same as heating oil :?:  


Kerosene is aviation fuel - basically, high-quality paraffin.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 07:30:43 AM »

the trouble with biofuels is the oil field in the north sea. good old gordon gets alot of cash from the extraction rights and then when its sold to us, he wouldnt get any extraction money from biofuels and less sales tax aswell because its more expensive to produce.
haveing said that we have signed up to a eu directive that says we have to have 5% of our road fuel from a renewable source so road fuel is being mixed at 5%.
nearly all the e85 is being imported from brazil at the moment where they are cutting down the rainforest to produce the stuff(yeah realy enviromentaly friendly) :evil:
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 09:10:21 AM »

.....and the tanker that brings it here runs on mineral oil too i bet.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 01:10:28 PM »

Oil from coal is produced in South Africa by a company called SASOL, they produce a petrol alternative with octane ratings of 97 & 100 I seem to remember.
All other petrol sold over there also has to have a certain percentage of the alternative added to it to bolster the sales to keep the price of the 'pure' stuff competitive.
Still made from a non-renewable mineral resource though, so can't really be said to help the environment can it!   :?
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 07:48:35 PM »

a pertrol engine runs well on methonol or is that going the wrong way, avgas has that lovelry sweet smell too it.  Sorry but no other real petrol alternatives apart from lpg
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2006, 01:51:09 PM »

Not a fuel substitute but potentially interesting way of reducing the size of an engine to give the same hp output

Taken from the European Automotive design magazine

Ethanol Injections Ramp up Power

MIT researchers are developing a half sized gasoline (petrol) engine that they say performs like its full sized cousin but with the fuel efficiency approaching that of today’s hybrid engine system.
 The key technology is a carefully controlled injection of ethanol directly into the engines cylinders when more power and torque is required.
 MIT says the engines could be ready for production within 5 years. Customers could then, by spending and extra $1000 or so and adding a couple of gallons of ethanol every few months, have an engine that can go up to 30% further on a gallon of petrol than a conventional engine. Moreover it provides high performance without the use of high-octane fuel.
 The researchers believe their ethanol-boosted turbo engine has real potential for widespread adoption. “There’s a tremendous need to find low cost, practical ways to make engines more efficient and clean and to find cost-effective ways to use more bio-fuels in place of oil.” Said Daniel R Chon, senior research scientist in the Laboratory for Energy and the Environment and the Plasma Science and Fusion Centre (PSFC).
 For decades, efforts to improve the efficiency of the spark ignition petrol engine have been stymied by “knock” – spontaneous combustion that can cause damage to the engine. Using computer simulation, the MIT team says it has found a way to use ethanol to suppress spontaneous combustion and remove the knock limit.
 When the engine is working hard and knock is likely, a small amount of ethanol is directly injected into the hot combustion chamber, where it quickly vaporises, cooling the fuel and air and making spontaneous combustion much less likely. According to MIT, the engine will not knock even when the pressure inside the cylinder is three times higher than that in a conventional engine. Testing by Ford is said to have produced results consistent with simulation model’s predictions.
 With knock essentially eliminated, the researchers could incorporate into their engine two operating techniques that help make today’s diesel engines so efficient, but without causing the high emissions of diesels: high levels of turbo charging and a high compression ration.
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