Topic: bio fuel (Read 7361 times)

Bubba · « **on:** August 04, 2007, 08:44:48 AM »

anyone using it or got anything to say on the subject

tim_aka_tim · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2007, 08:15:37 AM »

Depends what kind of bio fuel you mean. Bio diesel is now available from a few places, and is often much cheaper than normal diesel, depending upon where you buy it. Using vegetable oil is an option and runs better than any other diesel, but if you don't pay your tax and get caught, then you'll get prosecuted.
I'd love to be able to buy it over here, but the only place that sells it is miles away and it's only 5% bio. In Brum there are loads of suppliers, some of which are quite cheap. If you buy it from a proper supplier, then the tax is paid.

keeko · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2007, 06:41:11 PM »

My mate runs his Peugeot 106 on bio fuel. To be honest, 3 litres bottles of the cheapest vegetable oil he can find in the cheapest supermarkets usually do him for weeks.He`ll add a a couple of quids worth of diesel now an then. Neveer seems to have any problems.
Personally I wouldn`t be arsed with my car smelling like a chip shop tho... :lol:

snozzer · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2007, 05:50:43 PM »

Quote from: "tim_aka_tim"

but if you don't pay your tax and get caught, then you'll get prosecuted.

New rules, you get 2,500 litres (550 gallons) a year free of tax http://http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/excise-duty/brief4307.htm

tim_aka_tim · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2007, 07:34:37 PM »

I just doubted what I read, so had a look on Mud Club, where many people run vegetable oil. After reading this thread http://http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=46953&highlight=svo&start=0 it would seem that someone has spoken to customs and excise, and yes, so long as you keep receipts to prove how much oil you have used, you can run veggie oil from Tesco and not have to register with them as a supplier!

Holy shit. I'm off down Tesco. Seriously. Apparently they sell 15ltr drums in the asian section for £8.40. That would fill my tank for £33 instead of £56.

The Smiths · « **Reply #5 on:** August 09, 2007, 07:44:35 PM »

The 3 litre plastic bottles from Tesco work out the same price - 56p/l - Its also a lot easier to get rid of the bottles in recyling - very enviromentally friendly.

Bubba · « **Reply #6 on:** August 09, 2007, 08:30:19 PM »

hmm i am sudenly very interested and how about engine probs newer modern engines cant like it to much i wouldnt think older engines i would think were not a problem

monkey_biz · « **Reply #7 on:** August 09, 2007, 08:30:27 PM »

i ran my landcruiser on 60:40 mix of oil:diesel.
it loved it, ran quieter, cooler and more power and all the kids on the street thought i was a mobile mcdonalds

yup it whiffs a bit

550 gallons a year eh..... time to sell all and buy another landcruiser

tim_aka_tim · « **Reply #8 on:** August 09, 2007, 08:43:31 PM »

Kev, the main advice is that Lucas CAV fuel pumps are a no-no, but others should be ok. I wouldn't put i in a common rail engine either, but older engines should be ok. Search on Mud Club for 'svo' or 'vegetable oil' for the best advice. With them being mostly lardies over there, lots of them put it in their TDis.

Bubba · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2007, 10:04:43 AM »

well i am now conducting tril runs the 2.8 in the gt seems to have no problems 12lts of oil dropped in to half a tank at 56p lt put bio diesel in the chevy 20lts at 77p lt in to a 1/4 tank smells liks a barbie runs great slightly harsher starting from cold dut i think i have a slight run back from the injector pump and poss only 6 glow plugs working at the mo al so the bio fuel place i tried uses reclaimed oil and lots of it to me when we put it in it was as thick as normal oil so i think they use most of there time cleaning the oil rather than blending the oil for fuel there is another supply near me at 86p a lt but i can mix my own on a 75/25 forthe 66p mark not bad all in all

JamesH · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2007, 04:23:50 PM »

That new allowance is a good idea, I'm going to give it a more serious try in my Peugeot. It's the old 1.9 turbo unit so I don't see any problems, any warnings/tips?? Iit's nearly worthless with over 160k miles on it so I'm not too bothered how it goes - getting to work for less £££ will be nice though.

Bubba · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2007, 09:36:07 PM »

i dont think you will have to many probs it seems that you may get some snot in ya fuel filter as it seems purge clean the system so expect to change the filter i have put one of those see through plastic filters before the main filter so i can moniter what happens it would be nice if you could use red diesel as the thinning agent as that would bring costs 54p ish to make

tim_aka_tim · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2007, 11:22:06 PM »

Quote from: "JamesH"

That new allowance is a good idea, I'm going to give it a more serious try in my Peugeot. It's the old 1.9 turbo unit so I don't see any problems, any warnings/tips?? Iit's nearly worthless with over 160k miles on it so I'm not too bothered how it goes - getting to work for less £££ will be nice though.

I used to have a Citroen ZX with the 1.9 XUD turbo engine and it had a Lucas injection pump. If yours is too, then don't use veggie oil, it will break the pump.

Look at the Veggiediesel pump identification page and see which one you have, and read what's said about each - these guys know what works.

Luckily, the Ranger has a Bosch VP37 and is currently running sweet as a nut on 50% sunflower oil.

Bubba · « **Reply #13 on:** August 19, 2007, 08:55:35 AM »

cant find much about stanadine pumps as fitted to the chevy

tim_aka_tim · « **Reply #14 on:** August 19, 2007, 07:00:39 PM »

Quote from: "V8 Bubba"

cant find much about stanadine pumps as fitted to the chevy

The GM 6.2 has a Stanadyne DB2 injection pump - look here http://http://www.jhdiesel.com/sty.htm. As with most pumps, it looks like a copy of a Bosch. The DB2 bears a resemblance to the Bosch EPVE radial pump. That would mean its fine to run veggie oil (according to Veggiediesel.co.uk - see above).

Bubba, got to Google and search for "stanadyne db2 vegetable".

craigderby · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2007, 10:17:13 PM »

I've been using it for a while, normally go 50/50 mix to keep it simple. Used it in a Shogun, and currently in my Peugeot 205 and Series Land Rover. They run much better. Fuel filter needs changing more often and always after the first 500 miles as it bring all sorts of muck from the tank at first.

tim_aka_tim · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2007, 08:12:50 AM »

Well the old Ranger is now running on about 75% veggie oil and 25% diesel. Unless you really use a high percentage of veggie oil, it's not going to save you very much money, so next tankful, I'll be on 90% veggie oil and 10% petrol to thin it out. Tesco sell 10 litre containers of veggie oil for about £5.40 which is 54p a litre vs 94p for diesel. The 10 litre containers are also much easier to tip into the tank.

Bigmadgregor · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2007, 12:58:51 PM »

I'm running anywhere between 50:50 to 100% SVO in my 96 XJ.

It runs (slightly) quieter/smoother and i'm getting around 41mpg from it.
only noticeable difference is it takes slightly longer to catch on cold mornings. The smell is fantastic, I love chippy's

:lol:

tim_aka_tim · « **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2007, 01:05:42 PM »

I was running around 70% oil in an indirect injection engine. I cannot recommend doing so as the injectors are now fcked. Running 50/50, you're saving maybe £10-15 per tank, which isn't much, given the risks and the awkwardness of using veggie oil (having to buy large bottles of it and covering yourself/the drive in it).
The VM indirect engine is a delicate animal, I wouldn't tempt fate. If it does go pear-shaped, it could cost more than the car is worth to repair it.
Just my 2p worth.

Bigmadgregor · « **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2007, 01:41:17 PM »

Also,

(Not trying to teach my Grandmother to suck eggs or anything, but)

As an historical aside, when Rudolph deisel developed his engine, it was originally intended to be run on peanut oil as an easily obtainable fuel for developing countries. It was later modified to run on derv which is a by-product in the manufacture of petroleum spirit.

By all accounts a deisel engine should run on any material combustible under pressure, including coal dust and lard. (its just the delivery system that requires modification)

Deisel engines run better on vegetable/peanut oil because the oil is inherently better at lubricating the engine than derv.

I'm not stating that all parts of the (relatively) modern engine are designed to cope with different fuels but its interesting to note the engines original intended fuel etc.

davethedog · « **Reply #20 on:** December 06, 2007, 05:39:39 PM »

Hi Bubba, be careful where you get it from, some people who do it round this area do not add ethanol, (because it is expensive) this must be added when it is made, best place to get round here is shela road halesowen, these people have spent a fortune developing a proper system, excess of a mill, place buy where you work very suspect !! hope this helps D.T.D :wink:

Bubba · « **Reply #21 on:** December 06, 2007, 08:33:49 PM »

i am very carefull i have sussed one or two dodgy places love the avatar dude

mack · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2007, 11:45:03 AM »

Quote from: "Bigmadgregor"

It was later modified to run on derv which is a by-product in the manufacture of petroleum spirit.

Costco Wholesale sell large drums of veg oil, not checked the prices recently though, but I'm considering trying it out, once my Jeep is fixed...

On a side note, DERV, is not diesel/fuel, but, my understanding is it stands for Diesel Engined Road Vehicle(s).

And yes you are correct diesel engines were designed originally to run on peanut oil.

:wink:

Bigmadgregor · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2007, 01:02:08 PM »

:roll: )

and he always refers to it as Heavy Oil...

BTW the BP garage at the gates of the refinery is, and always has been, one of the most expensive forecourts in the area. FFS

Bioman · « **Reply #24 on:** March 28, 2008, 11:45:53 PM »

Running my 98 XJ on 90% Bio Diesel 10% Diesel, runs great, costs me about 15p per ltr to make. :wink:

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keeko

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monkey_biz

craigderby

Bigmadgregor

Bigmadgregor

davethedog

mack

Bigmadgregor

Bioman