Topic: Tyres that stick out beyond fender flares (Read 12038 times)

gordy · « **on:** February 19, 2009, 01:28:37 PM »

Hey guys. Whats the situation regarding tyres that stick out beyond the fender flare. I read on Difflock http://forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=32886 that it is illegal and you can get 3 points per offending tyre. Thats if ya get stopped by Insp Knacker of the Yard :shock:

I also read (on Difflock) the MOT test had changed within the last 2 years and your vehicle will not be failed on this anymore.

gordy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2009, 01:53:55 PM »

I'm gonna answer my own question. Maybe of use to others out there.

Council Directive 78/549/EEC of 12 June 1978 on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the wheel guards of motor vehicles

Article 6

This Directive is addressed to the Member States.

Done at Luxembourg, 12 June 1978.

For the Council

The President

K. OLESEN

ANNEX I

1. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS 1.1. The motor vehicle must be provided with wheel guards (parts of the bodywork, mudguards, etc.).

1.2. The wheel guards must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as possible, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.

2. SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS 2.1. The wheel guards must meet the following requirements when the vehicle is in running order (see section 2.6 of Annex I to Directive 70/156/EEC) and the wheels are in the dead ahead position: 2.1.1. In the part formed by radial planes at an angle of 30º to the front and 50º to the rear of the centre of the wheels (see figure 1), the overall width (q) of the wheel guards must be at least sufficient to cover the total tyre width (b) taking into account the extremes of tyre/wheel combination as specified by the manufacturer and as indicated in section 5.2 of the certificate set out in Annex II. In the case of twin wheels, the total width over the two tyres (t) shall be taken into account. 2.1.1.1. For the purposes of determining the widths referred to in 2.1.1, the labelling (marking) and decorations, protective bands or ribs on tyre walls are not taken into account.

2.1.2. The rear of the wheel guards must not terminate above a horizontal plane 150 mm above the axis of rotation of the wheels (as measured at the wheel centres) and furthermore the intersection of the edge of the wheel guard with this plane (point A, figure 1) must lie outside the median longitudinal plane of the tyre, or in the case of twin wheels the median longitudinal plane of the outermost tyre.

2.1.3. The contour and location of the wheel guards shall be such that they are as close to the tyre as possible ; and in particular within the part formed by the radial planes referred to in 2.1.1, they shall satisfy the following requirements: 2.1.3.1. the projection - situated in the vertical plane of the tyre axis - of the depth (p) of the outer edge of the wheel guards, measured in the vertical longitudinal plane passing through the centre of the tyre, must be at least 30 mm. This depth (p) may be reduced progressively to zero at the radial planes specified in 2.1.1;

2.1.3.2. the distance © between the lower edges of the wheel guards and the axis passing through the centre of the wheels must not exceed 2r, "r" being the static radius of the tyre.

2.1.4. In the case of vehicles having adjustable suspension height, the abovementioned requirements must be met when the vehicle is in the normal running position specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

2.2. The wheel guards may consist of several components, provided no gaps exist between or within the individual parts when assembled.

2.3. The wheel guards must be firmly attached. However, they may be detachable either as a unit or in parts.

Basically it means:-

Tyres must be fully covered by the wheel arches, excluding any side wall raised lettering or protective ribbing on the side walls of the tyres, or wheel hubs

This may not be a MOT issue but would be an issue under The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

eastryjeep · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2009, 02:33:49 PM »

Was busy tapping away myself but now see you have EU line on this, still for what its worth I'll just add my 2ps worh anyway!

There is somewhere on the VOSA website that goes through all the criterea for an MOT, but, from memory I don't think it is too prescriptive in this area.
As an MOT is really pretty subjective anyway, what one station may pass another may fail.
Regarding tyres and fender flares, I personally would be pretty annoyed if another 4x4 pulled out of a field, layby, ditch or river bed and promptly started throwing stones and/or lumps of mud all over my pride and joy, so just have a care before you risk shot blasting someone elses paintwork and windscreen!
Then again, regardless of the MOT, Mr Plod could just about pull any of us for 'reckless endangerment' or 'driving without due care' if he was bored enough and if we had any particulary aggressive tread pattern I suppose.
Either way I'm not sure I would risk arguing the issue, just in case with the MOT man gets a strop on next time he sees one of your cars.

Panic mechanic! · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2009, 05:17:11 PM »

mud being thrown off your tyres can be treated exactly the same as you having anything fall of your vehicle.
You can be summonsed to court and fined a few thousand £'s. The highway code advises you to remove anything that could fall off your vehicle while it is travelling before going onto the public highway.
Usually cars are dealt with at the roadside with a fixed penalty and 3 points...

dxmedia · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2009, 05:43:07 PM »

Tyres outside of the body are not part of the MOT. As you say though - it's 3 points per tyre. You'd be unlucky to get crushed rather than a producer though.

isle of man · « **Reply #5 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:42:43 PM »

I concur...

Bubba · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2009, 07:44:23 PM »

the best advise i ever saw on diflock was go look at birtys

Panic mechanic! · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2009, 08:16:21 PM »

the new up to date police don't tend to do producers these days, its seizure and storage fee's. the whole point of having your insurance/mot on record is so they can do this and remove vehicles they see as unfit for the road, without having to wait.
Its Your reponsibility to prove your car is not breaking the law,all they do is send your vehicle for an SVA which will soon become and IVA and its a lot more strict and yes it does cover tyres being exposed.

Dave69 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2009, 05:30:28 PM »

and when it becomes IVF your gonna be shafted

greggmo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2009, 07:27:00 PM »

just another government but fuck :ANAL: shame they dont do somethin about the infestation of blind unlicensed dickheads that seem to be on our roads these days. lets face it driving a car is slightly different to herding goats :roll:

Jeeper Creeper · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2009, 12:33:08 AM »

Never thought having tyres stick out was illegal :cry:

Any of you guys who drive with sticking out tyres on a daily basis had any problems with the old bill?

Mike Pavelin · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2009, 08:05:09 AM »

Nope.

Bubba · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:02:00 AM »

no never

isle of man · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:33:20 AM »

I have - twice!!!

Bulldog67 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:55:39 AM »

just get bigger "fender flares" (4wd.com or stick a request in sale/parts wanted)

greggmo · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:00:57 AM »

its sometimes just down to how much attention you attract. never been pulled in a jeep. though i have no problem with it if i do.

dxmedia · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2009, 09:50:33 AM »

Just been reading that with a daytime MOT you don't need mudguards (as well a lights and all the other gumph for driving at night). If that's the case then your tyres can be as far outside the body as you want.

Might be worth confirming?

Dave69 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 24, 2009, 04:30:33 PM »

daytime a serious grey area for any vehicle, it isn't worth the hassle. a leniant mot tester and a jobsworth policeman can lead you in to alot of trouble

helstejeep · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2009, 10:38:51 PM »

greggmo · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2009, 11:18:03 AM »

i think its down to who and weather ya get a pull. if yer tyres are stickin out a mile then expect trouble but i think an inch either side aint gonna be too much of a problem. its all down to the plod really. ive never been pulled in any of our jeeps and have been followed enough times.

rob.79 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 16, 2009, 12:45:43 PM »

i've had a quick look through the VOSA mot manual this mornin, cant find a section that covers this, so technically if it aint in the manual it cant be a reason for an MOT fail! but in there is a section that states, "any protrusion that could cause damage to a pedestrian or other vehicle" could be a reason for failure, so guess it pretty much down to how far the wheels stick out and the testers/coppers opinion! hope this helps #-o

greggmo · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2009, 10:02:27 PM »

the plod can do ya if they want reguardless of the mot.

dxmedia · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:04:40 PM »

As I put above, it's not an MOTable item, but it's a legal one.

4 bits of rubber converyor belt screwed to the bottom of the wheel arch is all that's needed to be legal.

ferretjuggler · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2009, 08:58:41 PM »

As Greggmo said, if they (plod) wanna pin something on ya, thet will. :finga: :finga:

Author Topic: Tyres that stick out beyond fender flares (Read 12038 times)

gordy

gordy

eastryjeep

Panic mechanic!

dxmedia

Panic mechanic!

Jeeper Creeper

Mike Pavelin

dxmedia

helstejeep

rob.79

dxmedia

ferretjuggler