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drs829

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Diesel fuel
« on: October 07, 2005, 11:26:25 PM »

Hi Guys,

thanks for the answers and the welcomes.  I'm new to Jeep ownership - stand by for plenty of 'bone' questions!

I bought it to tow my glider trailer.  Its 30 odd foot long but only 600kgs or so.  I don't think it will struggle!  It will mainly get used on the road but also on airfields and, no doubt, in fields that I land in!

I'm quite pleased with the economy - low/mid 30's.  Did you know you can run them quite happily on Jet A1 (aviation jet engine fuel) or kerosene? I know this isn't much use to most people but quite a lot of people have oil fired central heating.  The oil is virtually identical ;-) and - obviously - despite it being clear, never ever use it on the road!  I just wish I had a tankfull in my garden!

I used to spend 6 months a year in Norway and we ran our Landy's and Transits on Jet A1 + mineral oil - no problems at all.... Probably not so good for CRD's though.

Cheers,

Daz.
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Mike Pavelin

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2005, 09:00:52 AM »

Interesting you mention that. I have a 2500 litre tank of kerosene for the heating sat outside the house. I reckon you could run a regular diesel on it. What type of oil exactly are you adding as a lubricant and in what proportion?
I aggree it would be risky to try this on a common rail diesel, though. The tolerences in the pumps are so tiny to acheive the massive pressures involved that correct lubrication is absoluteley critical in order to avoid a very expensive disaster. Shame. Ours is a CRD.
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Anonymous

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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2005, 05:25:59 PM »

best dont use it on a CRD, they run massive pressures in the pump and injector and dont like home blended stuff, for once a VM has one over on the CRD.
Landie TD5's have the same problem
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drs829

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2005, 08:16:14 PM »

Cheapest mineral oil you can find!  20/50 engine oil is fine.  No synthetic additives though.  


Product Density (kg/L) Energy Content

Light Kerosene   0.79   34.52 MJ/L
Heating oil         0.81   35.20 MJ/L
Diesel (ADF)      0.84   36.18 MJ/L


Ignition Quality or Cetane Number -- This factor influences ease of starting, duration of white smoking after start-up, drivability before warm-up and intensity of diesel knock at idle. Studies have correlated ignition quality with all regulated emissions. As ignition delay is reduced, the combustion process starts earlier and emissions (primarily carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons) are reduced.

Ignition delay is measured by the Cetane Number (CN) test (ASTM D 613), which uses a single-cylinder, variable compression ratio engine analogous to the Octane Number engine. In this case, the ignition delay of the test fuel is measured at a fixed compression ratio. This result is compared with the results from standard reference fuels consisting of blends of n-cetane and heptamethylnonane.

Diesel engines vary widely in their cetane requirements, and there is no commonly recognized way to measure this value. In general, the lower an engine's operating speed, the lower the CN of the fuel it can use. Large marine engines can tolerate fuels with CNs as low as 20, while some manufacturers of high-speed passenger car diesel engines specify 55 CN fuel.

Ordinary pump diesel is - I believe - around 45.  Heating oil about 40.

Daz.
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