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chrisjones

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« on: August 24, 2005, 07:01:22 PM »

Why is it only rear prop shaft UJs cause problems on lifted Jeeps?? :smt017
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 07:48:14 PM »

Due to them being short,  the added lift over that short distance causes the angle to change to much for the uj's.
The front however is approx twice as long and the angle is less in degrees over the distance   (does that make sense?)
That's what a sye (or short shaft conversion) does, it allows you to use a longer prop, which in turn lessens the angle :shock:

I'm sure someone can explain it better than i have, but hopefully you get the general idea!
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 08:16:11 PM »

Nah mate. 8)
That's kind'a what I guessed, just couldn't be arsed to have a look underneath!!! :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2005, 09:13:31 PM »

Short Shaft Conversion also moves the point of slide from the slip yoke (on the shaft from the T/C) to the prop itself, which is telescopic.  Much more logical Captain!  :smt032
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2005, 10:28:40 PM »

your talking TJ/YJ's then.
On XJs the problem is the slip yoke on the Tcase tail, fixed with a SYE and a telescopic prop, you can usually lift an XJ 3in before you get vibes from the rear prop.

Also the Front props on TJ/YJ/XJ is a double cadance (right word?) joint, basicly 2 ujs together in one joint that is much for forgiving of high angles
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2005, 08:10:23 AM »

The front props on XJ, YJ, TJ  are relatively long and have the double cardan joint which makes the driveline angles far less critical and allows a lot of movement.
The rear props on TJ and YJ are very short and have conventional Hardy-spicer UJs at both ends which must run at the same angles in order to eliminate excessive torsional vibration. A lot of XJs also has very limited movement of the UJ at the the slip yoke end of the shaft due to the design of the slip yoke casting This can cause the joint to bind even at 3" of lift. This can be improved by using the slip yoke from a YJ (or TJ with a little machining) and allows far more movement of that joint. Of course the ideal (expensive) soloution for all these Jeeps is to fit the slip yoke eliminator and special shaft, which gives you a shorter , stronger output on your transfer case, moves your slip joint to the shaft like the front one and incorporated a double cardan joint.
ZJs, WJs and KJs are often fitted with CV joints like the ones found on FWD cars which also have their own problems with limited travel and strength.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2005, 10:03:57 AM »

all very complicated and far beyond me...... but doesn't the coversion just change the setup to be basically how it was on the CJ?!? That's what it sounds like.....

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2005, 07:03:35 PM »

Our rear propshafts are about 2'6" long, and it's ALWAYS the rear joint that causes problems. I've changed loads of them but never any of the others. A lift aggravates the problem, but only on the rear joint. The answer for us is to grease the joints regularly - it helps.
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