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[snoopyjon]

Hi all,

Couple of things to ask about today if that's ok...?

First off, I have decided to make my own snorkel.  I have got some 3 inch hose as some others have done on here, but having a look under the bonnet last night I can't see any way I can get the hose into the rear or side of the airbox.  Everywhere round the airbox is full of "enginey stuff"!! I was originally planning on putting a snorkel on, but having found the screenwash bottle inside the wing, I'm not sure I have the ability to move that somewhere else...  Therefore, I may just put the hose further back in the engine bay, maybe out just in front of the windscreen...  How have others coped with the lack of space round the airbox??

Also, my battery has had it.  Charged it up and it just drops the charge very quickly (even when not connected to the Jeep).  I think it was the wrong battery anyway, as the mechanism to hold it in never quite fitted properly on it...   A friend of mine has given me a link to a really powerful battery for quite a good price, but after reading on here that some people couldn't close the bonnet, I just wanted to ask if anyone knows the maximum height of the battery that can fit in?  The battery in there is 175mm in height, the one I'm looking at is 220mm including terminals.

Thanks all,

Jon.

[Bubba]

try lour local dealer somtimes things like batterys can be cheap and it will fit

[tim_aka_tim]

Route the pipe out of the front of the airbox, then remove the wheel well cover under the wheel arch, and
tuck it all in there. You'll need to cut some holes in the body work for your hose. You'll also need to remove
the windscreen wash bottle, as that's where it lives. Need to come up with another place to put one.

[Dave69]

i have routed my air intake from the back of the airbox into the front of the passenger side scuttle. Had to drill additional holes from the engine bay to allow more air to pass through, yep it isn't cold air but i'm not realy fussed about a loss of 5 to 10 hp. The downside is that i now don't have airconditioning but since it was the old refrigerant and wasn't working it's not realy an issue now. The air intake noise isn't bad and it's not noticable when driving.
 Used some 3" id flexable plastic pipe and some guttering pipe to make the connection into the airbox, plus some sealant. Cost probably £8 as the pipe was free, the sealant was the type useable in damp enviroments.

as for the battery give a dealer a go on the price as they have been known to be very competative

[snoopyjon]

i have routed my air intake from the back of the airbox into the front of the passenger side scuttle. Had to drill additional holes from the engine bay to allow more air to pass through, yep it isn't cold air but i'm not realy fussed about a loss of 5 to 10 hp. The downside is that i now don't have airconditioning but since it was the old refrigerant and wasn't working it's not realy an issue now. The air intake noise isn't bad and it's not noticable when driving.
 Used some 3" id flexable plastic pipe and some guttering pipe to make the connection into the airbox, plus some sealant. Cost probably £8 as the pipe was free, the sealant was the type useable in damp enviroments.

as for the battery give a dealer a go on the price as they have been known to be very competative

I don't suppose you have any photo's of what you have done, what you have removed, and where you've routed the pipe do you?  Your setup sounds exactly like what I'm after...  I have the pipe, in fact I have pretty much everything I need, except guidance on where to feed stuff through 

Cheers,

Jon.

[Dave69]

i'll try and sort something out tomorrow.

[Bubba]

i realy liked one i saw on youtube it was a hole in the bonnet and somekind of wobbly pipe that looked a bit like an elephants trunk

[snoopyjon]

i'll try and sort something out tomorrow.

Thank you!!!   

[snoopyjon]

i realy liked one i saw on youtube it was a hole in the bonnet and somekind of wobbly pipe that looked a bit like an elephants trunk

Can't find that, in fact I struggled to find any vid's of people doing a snorkel on an XJ - I did see some with no air box and no second big box that the airbox leads in to (sorry, don't know technical names).  Can you run the XJ like this?  With just a pipe going into the throttle body? (I think it's the throttle body).

Thanks,

Jon.

[Dave69]

you can run any engine without an airbox but there will be nothing to stop dust etc getting into the engine and possibly causing serious damage as the box contains the filter.

basically you have an airbox which is tuned to the size of the engine. all other smaller boxes that are connected between the airbox and engine intake are resonators which cancell out intake noise frequencies. These noises can be heard from inside the car and are deemed as unacceptable by the manufacturer

[Panic mechanic!]

I want to start tuning my airbox now.........

[Dave69]

 inside of the rear part of the airbox. used a piece of std black plastic drain pipe glued into place using plastic pipe glue and mastick sealed into place


3" id plastic flex pipe into the passenger scuttle. Holes had to be drilled into the engine bay to allow the air to pass through as there is no direct air path. yes it does defeat the object of having holes the pipe is sealed into place but i didn't have time to remove the passenger wing and drill holes through the side of the scuttle


The connection into the box was the black guttering pipe with a 90 degree elbow glued into place with the blue plastic pipe pushed on a hose clipped tight. sealant was used to make the connection water tight


water bottle was relocated to near the master cylinder.


the pipe from the airbox needed the aircon system to be disconnected. a more flexible pipe might be more suitable if you still want the aircon. On the mk1 the screen wash is in the engine bay so i relocated it the where the abs pump was as i don't have abs sensors on the replacement axles.
 
 I still need to remove the wing so that i can create a cold air supply rather than using the engine bay, this will be eventually blanked off. I could have bought a proper snorkel but the funds weren't there plus a homemade external build will always look homemade and cheap. Doing it this way was cheap and effective. The blue pipe was sourced from a scrap pile, it's not ideal as it's too stiff so that will be replaced for something more flexible when it comes available.
 the airbox was sealed using sheets of flat plastic glued into place and sealed. this then retains the std filter.

Time taken to complete probably two days allowing the glue and sealant to cure.

[donk498]

Glad the washer bottle was of use then Dave. Don't need to do that with mine as the washer bottle is in the engine bay not the wing. Not seen another xj with the same setup as mine though.

[Dave69]

if the tubing was more flexible i might have been able to keep the origional location of the water bottle, but it was a case of using what was to hand.

[snoopyjon]

Well... I got my snorkel done!  I couldn't do the same as you Dave, as with my limited knowledge, I didn't really want to be removing things when I didn't know what they were, and as you can see the back of my airbox is pretty cramped:

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So I went for an outside the wing and up the side of the cab job.  Now I know it doesn't look pretty, and if I'd paid hundreds of pounds I could have had a proper safari snorkel, but I'm happy with it, and in total it cost me about £25.  I have now got a new screenwash bottle, which I will be fitting tomorrow over the other side of the engine bay.  Then it's off for an MOT ready for the winter season!  The only thing I have left to do is re-fit the external arch.  When I took it off, EVERY single bolt sheered off.  Now I need to drill out the old bolts attached to the metal 'grips' and find some way of putting new bolts back in, which won't spin when I tighten them up.

Jon.

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[tim_aka_tim]

Why did you remove the fender flare?

[snoopyjon]

Because I was an idiot and thought that had to come off before I could get the wing off...  I'll know for next time 

[tim_aka_tim]

  Good answer  
Hang on, you took the wing off too?

[wildrover]

Some guy in Australia did a real neat snorkel...and he took some great pics to show step by step how he did it....hope its of some use to anyone else making one.... 


http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83065

[snoopyjon]

Good answer  
Hang on, you took the wing off too?

Yep, had to so I could get the washer bottle out, and cut the holes in the engine bay and the wing for the hose without completely cocking them up with my uselessness     It now runs up where the washer bottle used to be. 

Jon.

[snoopyjon]

Some guy in Australia did a real neat snorkel...and he took some great pics to show step by step how he did it....hope its of some use to anyone else making one.... 


http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83065

That does look very good, and looks much better than mine.  It also cost him about 4 times what mine did.  I've done the difficult bit, and the drain pipe will do for now, but the plan is to get some ally tubing to replace the drain pipe.  I'm also going to get the proper top for it, the bit on there at the moment is purely to stop rain from getting in before I do this.

But for now, hopefully it'll stop me hydrolocking the engine if I hit some water that's deeper than I expected.  At the end of the day, I'm not going to use it as a submarine, I just want to be able to keep the engine going long enough to back out if something is too deep.  I can't afford to buy a new engine if I destroy this one.  Plus, I like my interior carpeted and dry.  If I wanted a soaked/metal interior I'd buy a landrover   

Jon.

[isle of man]

Is it just me??? You're going to rip that shit off first time used in anger!!!!

[tim_aka_tim]

Good answer  
Hang on, you took the wing off too?

Yep, had to so I could get the washer bottle out, and cut the holes in the engine bay and the wing for the hose without completely cocking them up with my uselessness     It now runs up where the washer bottle used to be. 

Jon.

You needn't have taken the wing off. You jack it up, remove the wheel and then take off the inner wing - a
formed black rubber insert. The washer bottle is just there. Oh well, you live and learn.

[Bulldog67]

  i never wouda got it back together, so fair paly

[tim_aka_tim]

Please don't feel like we're tearing your work to pieces. I think it's great that you had the balls to do it in the
first place. Regardless of how you did it, it's a pretty tidy job, unlike the shit you see on Lardys and especially
zooks.