Topic: extension arch kit for Jeep Wrangler (Read 9560 times)

Warwick Wendy · « **on:** January 05, 2009, 06:28:22 PM »

Hi all

Happy New Year!!

Just a quick question.........

My jeep wrangler is due for it's 1st MOT on the 9th, since I had it lifted and I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of where in the UK I could purchase an extended arch kit?

Thanks for any help in advance

Wendy xx

Panic mechanic! · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:47:18 PM »

how far do you tyres stick out from the original arches? the law states that the tread must be covered when viewed from directly above, so if you look down from above it doesn't matter if you can see the sidewall as long as you can't see the tread pattern. otherwise its finding a nice MOT who uses his discretion.

Warwick Wendy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:49:46 PM »

hehe!!! not sure if you can tell from my profile pic but they stick out about 2 inches eeeeeek!!!!!

PtP · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:50:34 PM »

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Whilst I’m sure someone will come and make a recommendation as to where you can get extended flares for your TJ in the UK, you don’t need them for the MOT even though your new tyres are sticking out beyond the standard ones.

I asked my friendly MOT tester if there was anything in the test which covers this and he checked his bible and confirmed that there is nothing.

You could get pulled by the police though as the sticking out wheels contravene some construction regulations. I don’t recall reading about anyone ever getting done though!

Nosebolt · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:53:42 PM »

mine just passed with a good 3" at rear and 4"+ at front :twisted:

PtP · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:55:16 PM »

I seem to recall the regulations state something like the tyre needs to be covered by an imaginary arc of 37 degrees from the centre of the wheel.

Asylum · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:05:29 PM »

If you still want some theres always http://www.specialist-leisure.co.uk

fha772 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:48:22 PM »

you could always screw a piece of polyurethane mudflap material to the lip of the standard arches. this would cover the wheels and be flexible for when off road, or easy to take off after the MOT.

Warwick Wendy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:13:40 PM »

I've checked prices for the kit ...in the region of £370 plus eeeeeeeek!!! that's a bit high to use just for the MOT. so now need other options,

Anyone got 4 standard tires/wheels I can borrow for the day? lol
Willing to pay to borrow them.....((Dave the Dog lend me the standards I sold you last year!!!! pleaaaaaaaase))

I'm in Warwick UK, but willing to travel a bit

Lornaben · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:28:24 PM »

Ya don't need to do anything. It cannot fail its MOT because the tyres stick out past the flares :wink:

Nosebolt · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2009, 08:47:39 PM »

Don’t panic you will be fine. This passed MOT today and not at my usual MOT station.

cleggy · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:18:10 PM »

ebay .4x4 offroad.

Mike Pavelin · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:30:21 PM »

Not a testable item, they can only advise.

Dave69 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2009, 10:50:36 PM »

just spent a few hours trawling the net looking for a definitive answer. There is no black and white issue concerning the protrusion of the tyre treads and the wheel arches. Most documentation refers to the construction of new vehicles and cars built which need SVA type approval for use in the uk, (i.e jap imports etc). the mot tester cant fail the jeep for protruding tyres. if they are blatantly stupid then he could fail it on the grounds of it being dangerous (the only thing he can fail it on) and advise on wider arches. these arches do not have to be permenant and they can be replaced at any time. a jobsworth PC can issue a ticket for a re-mot and that's the most they can do. One line a PC could follow if the danger from lack of due care due to the "rooster tails" that will be kicked up from the tyres due to the lack of a mud guard on the rear wheels. temporary ones could be fitted but thats the owners choice.

the following is the information i have found and obtained. some of it (very little) is interesting the rest is just legal cr@p for new vehicle build guidlines.

the only way the MOT is affected is if your new wheels actually foul the bodywork or any other part of the vehicle when the wheels are turned lock to lock when the vehicle is sitting in its normal position.
Remember too that your vehicle has to comply with 'construction and use' regulations which are not necessarily the same as the regulations regarding the MOT.

('The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001')
16(4). Each tyre fitted to the vehicle shall be of a nominal size appropriate to the wheel to which it is fitted.

"Regarding wheel width, they must not protrude more than 30mm beyond the wheel arches. (Council Directive 78/549/EEC)"

The next bit refers to the construction and use for new vehicles not exsiting vehicles.

78/549/EEC says :

"No Member State may refuse to grant EEC type-approval or national type-approval of a vehicle on grounds relating to the wheel guards if they satisfy the requirements laid down in Annex I"

The Annex says:

"ANNEX I

1. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS 1.1. The motor vehicle must be provided with wheel guards (parts of the bodywork, mudguards, etc.).

1.2. The wheel guards must be so designed as to protect other road users, as far as possible, against thrown-up stones, mud, ice, snow and water and to reduce for those users the dangers due to contact with the moving wheels.

2. SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS 2.1. The wheel guards must meet the following requirements when the vehicle is in running order (see section 2.6 of Annex I to Directive 70/156/EEC) and the wheels are in the dead ahead position: 2.1.1. In the part formed by radial planes at an angle of 30º to the front and 50º to the rear of the centre of the wheels (see figure 1), the overall width (q) of the wheel guards must be at least sufficient to cover the total tyre width (b) taking into account the extremes of tyre/wheel combination as specified by the manufacturer and as indicated in section 5.2 of the certificate set out in Annex II. In the case of twin wheels, the total width over the two tyres (t) shall be taken into account. 2.1.1.1. For the purposes of determining the widths referred to in 2.1.1, the labelling (marking) and decorations, protective bands or ribs on tyre walls are not taken into account.

2.1.2. The rear of the wheel guards must not terminate above a horizontal plane 150 mm above the axis of rotation of the wheels (as measured at the wheel centres) and furthermore the intersection of the edge of the wheel guard with this plane (point A, figure 1) must lie outside the median longitudinal plane of the tyre, or in the case of twin wheels the median longitudinal plane of the outermost tyre.

2.1.3. The contour and location of the wheel guards shall be such that they are as close to the tyre as possible ; and in particular within the part formed by the radial planes referred to in 2.1.1, they shall satisfy the following requirements: 2.1.3.1. the projection - situated in the vertical plane of the tyre axis - of the depth (p) of the outer edge of the wheel guards, measured in the vertical longitudinal plane passing through the centre of the tyre, must be at least 30 mm. This depth (p) may be reduced progressively to zero at the radial planes specified in 2.1.1;

2.1.3.2. the distance (c) between the lower edges of the wheel guards and the axis passing through the centre of the wheels must not exceed 2r, "r" being the static radius of the tyre.

2.1.4. In the case of vehicles having adjustable suspension height, the abovementioned requirements must be met when the vehicle is in the normal running position specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

2.2. The wheel guards may consist of several components, provided no gaps exist between or within the individual parts when assembled.

2.3. The wheel guards must be firmly attached. However, they may be detachable either as a unit or in parts."

Bubba · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2009, 05:25:46 AM »

o dear dave you will scare us all to death

the mot man has to aply the test as his manual tells him and nowhere states anything about a tyre that protrudes beyond the wheel arch

he cant make it up as he goes along :twisted:

Dave69 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2009, 05:36:42 AM »

when i had my vdub in a baja trim the same question was asked in regards to the tyres as the mudguards are minimal. it becomes the look of the car and it is accepted.

Bulldog67 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2009, 08:35:15 AM »

Quote from: "Dave69"

just spent a few hours trawling the net looking for a definitive answer. There is no black and white issue concerning the protrusion of the tyre treads and the wheel arches. Most documentation refers to the construction of new vehicles and cars built which need SVA type approval for use in the uk, (i.e jap imports etc). the mot tester cant fail the jeep for protruding tyres........................................ "

Now I understand Daves avatar :smt044

Warwick Wendy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:22:13 AM »

WOW!!! u guys really are helpful, thanks for so many replies.... have since spoken to the mechanic that works on the jeep and takes it for the MOT etc. He said he's 1st gonna check with the MOT guys to see what mood he's in today, that way he will say yes or no to it as is. Secondly he's gonna see if he can swap the wheels around somehow so not as much sticks out on the day (madness!!) but am desperate here haha!! Thirdly I'm going to do as FHA72 said cut polyurethane mudflap material but use heavy duty velcro over the originals so's not to damage them, just for the MOT. EEEEEK!!!!!! If all else fails I will be holding some poor person at gunpoint who has a boring shitty standard jeep I can borrow for the day lol!!!

Thanks again guys

x

Panic mechanic! · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:48:06 AM »

dave, you read the wrong paperwork, it doesn't come under sva regs it come under contrstuction and use regulations. Thats the book the pigs use to make a case against and and how they form reasons for prosectution.
I don't see why it shouldn't pass wendy as i just measure mine and it has 2" on the cherokee and 3" on the yj
Alternatively I have some real er. nice plastic wheel ach extensions, you can puke over, I mean put on if it gets nasty! lol

isle of man · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2009, 01:13:07 PM »

Panic mechanic is correct.....

Warwick Wendy · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2009, 04:01:53 PM »

OK todays update is....................

The man he say YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wooohoooo!!!!, saves me so much hassle, He said legallly the tyre can only stick out no more than 50 mil, mine stick out 125 mil, so yay!!! to the man

cheers guys x

Panic mechanic! · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2009, 04:32:53 PM »

its a nice looking jeep by the way wendy, have seen you round warwick a few weeks back i think when i was driving a coach there for a few weeks

Warwick Wendy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 06, 2009, 05:18:25 PM »

Cheers Rob, Most people know it's me with the website on the back window hehe!!...anything to advertise!

I like that not many people have them round here

Any other car is for sissy's!!!!

isle of man · « **Reply #23 on:** January 06, 2009, 05:41:46 PM »

How much for a back sack and crack wax - I have been known to travel.

Warwick Wendy · « **Reply #24 on:** January 06, 2009, 06:11:28 PM »

Between £40-£60...depending on exact areas, as it's a butt, sac n crack to be precise or manzillian or boyzillian lol

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