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Title: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 12:32:33 PM
Still hankerin after 37's on the Bastard, but not overly hopeful of chasing down cheap D60/70 or other upgrade axles, so thinkin about retaining the D44's and replacin the shafts with alloy shafts or heavy duty Dutchman shafts: anyone been this route? any views? any advice?

Cheers
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on January 09, 2011, 12:58:44 PM
Replacing the shafts will be as expensive as buying that Left drop(NOT) Dodge Dana 60...........from e-bay

If you go Dutchman or Warn you will still have the Dana 44 UJs that are the same as the Dana 30 TJ ones... that is the weak link
and then you will want upgrade the UJs at $100 each side............or more

But it still wont be as strong as a Dana 60

Remember my breakage at CF...... the shafts were Warn and survived...... the UJ was a spicer (not the cheaper type) it didn't survive!!!!!

That was on 35s.... But if you upgrade the lot, on your 44 it will be much moolar and when it goes bang the bling UJ will take out the stub and main shaft ears of your expensive shafts and ........tears before bedtime :010:

Go on go on go on you know you want to........ You'll also get bigger brakes as well for freeeee :icon_biggrin: :icon_super:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 01:17:31 PM
cheers 1 Tonne Kid  :icon_winkle:

well thats the sorta advice i wanted, personal experience

cant find any d60 on ebay tho?

did try and find that seller that was knockin out sets for £895, believe IOM got himself a pair?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 01:19:27 PM
A 44 is still a 44 no matter how much mooooolar you throw at it!!!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 01:21:59 PM
Get you head around these beauties - ideal pumpkin for you!!!

http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=12097 (http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=12097)
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 01:25:16 PM
cheers dood, better get MJS to advise me before i go blowing dosh :003:

found these as well: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-BOXED-PAIRS-DANA-70-AXLES-BUGGY-COMPETITION-/370471300895?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5641cf6f1f (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-BOXED-PAIRS-DANA-70-AXLES-BUGGY-COMPETITION-/370471300895?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5641cf6f1f)

are they any good?

did the dood on difflock that u bought your axles off recently have a stock pile?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 01:28:16 PM
Too expensive and has drum brakes so that will be another £400gbp to put dies brakes on.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 01:29:37 PM
is the salisbury an axle i can get regear parts for in the UK?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 01:32:26 PM
is the salisbury an axle i can get regear parts for in the UK?

Indeed it's a Lard Rubber!!!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 01:35:21 PM
well i have asked him what it currently is, but im not sure i wanna sully the Bastard with lardy parts, on the other hand, cheap option, especially after i sell the D44's

shame on the D70's coz they only 4.10, dont really mind drum at the moment as they gonna be an upgrade drum over what is currently on, and he is open to offers, and they are jeep
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 01:40:15 PM
well i have asked him what it currently is, but im not sure i wanna sully the Bastard with lardy parts, on the other hand, cheap option, especially after i sell the D44's

shame on the D70's coz they only 4.10, dont really mind drum at the moment as they gonna be an upgrade drum over what is currently on, and he is open to offers, and they are jeep

They will be Dodge - I will sell the D70 D80 axles for what I payed if it helps, don't have a use for them now the old faithful has gone - pumpkin is the wrong side for you so a D300 flip is required.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: ferretjuggler on January 09, 2011, 02:28:24 PM
Seriously Ade,

You might do better buying a rustbucket Chevy K30 or similar just to break it, 'cos you'll end up with free axles/wheels/drivetrain if you plays your cards right.

Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on January 09, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
The K30?

Mmnnnn I wonder who just did that........................... :icon_biggrin:

Seriously.............way to go... you get axle ratios that match and all the bits that are a bear to find like U-bolts hoses etc...... not really a hassle just time and money and e-mails to replace what you get for free if you get a complete hulk. :icon_super:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 03:29:14 PM

They will be Dodge - I will sell the D70 D80 axles for what I payed if it helps, don't have a use for them now the old faithful has gone - pumpkin is the wrong side for you so a D300 flip is required.

cheers IOM dood, will keep that in mind if it goes that way

Seriously Ade,

You might do better buying a rustbucket Chevy K30 or similar just to break it, 'cos you'll end up with free axles/wheels/drivetrain if you plays your cards right.


in all honestly how likely is it finding one Steve?

how long did it take u Jez?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
salisbury gearing 3.54
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: ferretjuggler on January 09, 2011, 03:51:20 PM
Quote
in all honestly how likely is it finding one Steve?


The stuff is out there, with some luck and a lot of ferreting through that haystack that is the internet.

Remember that 8 lug wheel/tyre on eBay that turned into a J10 :017:

The hard bit is getting to something while it's still buried in the mythical barn, before some Arthur Daley type gets hold of it
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
v true, i had forgotten how the J10 appeared  :hysterical:

trouble is I know even less about Chevys than i do jeeps  :jpshakehead:

i suupose the blazer axles in my gaeage are no good?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: ferretjuggler on January 09, 2011, 04:12:42 PM
Quote
i suupose the blazer axles in my gaeage are no good?

Half ton axles, similar strength to D44s.

Worthless to sell on eBlagg but worth a good £200-£300 if you sell them right (like pistonheads, difflock, classic yank, or whatever)

You need 1 ton axles off a HD pickup mate
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on January 09, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
I was lucky BD I'd known the vehicle and owner since 2002 and had always kept an eye on it............. It came off the road in 2005 after passing an MOT.....??? Engine was tired..................So when I couldn't find a left drop Iwent with the complete K30............
Sold all my wheels and bits to him and we exchanged axles............ no cash exchange................ :icon_biggrin:or should that be :icon_sad:
Back on my head again spraying bits satin black...........you might approve :icon_super:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 09:11:48 PM
the 70/70 combo is winnin at the mo, altho the gearin still puts me where i am, at least when i wanna regear it wont be potentially throwin money away

i am however waitin to be told i am numpty coz 70/70 ....... yadadadada ..........

im not overly hopeful on findin a chevy, and i can always sell the 44's

and lastly, goofbay says he accepts a fair old % off on any offers

all that bein said, MJS may tell me to bollox off
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 09:40:25 PM
Found the original advert - it's the same guy...

http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=9715 (http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=9715)
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 09:46:22 PM
ahhh, ya never mentioned disc brakes all round  :greggmo:

in practical terms, if a 37" tyre shoud have 4.88, wot will 5.13 mean?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 09:48:22 PM
I have 5.13 on the Mafia with 37"
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 09:49:41 PM
but what will it mean compared to 4.88? ie lower top end but quicker off the blocks?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: big g on January 09, 2011, 09:50:19 PM
Top end compromised slightly but lifted with 37s how fast ya wanna go??
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 09:53:56 PM
steady 70 at least  :003:

so quicker off the blocks?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 09:55:33 PM
It's a deep gear!!!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 10:00:03 PM
and that means in english to a numpty?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 09, 2011, 10:00:44 PM
It's low.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on January 09, 2011, 10:04:28 PM
look here (http://www.birtydastards.com/frm/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=14)
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: big g on January 09, 2011, 10:09:23 PM


so quicker off the blocks?

Aha.

That guide is good when did you find that NB??
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on January 09, 2011, 10:12:49 PM
theres a few guides and calcs on the front page of the forum
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 09, 2011, 10:21:19 PM
that is cool  :greggmo: v handy

as i have overdrive it would seem that 5.13 is not far off spot on
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: MOCAJ on January 09, 2011, 11:07:13 PM
whatever gearing you end up with a steady 70 will be optomistic, 6" of lift and steering set up will see to that  :jpshakehead:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on January 09, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
 :iagree:

think more like 55
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on January 09, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
maybe we should have a sweepstake for charity as to what speed bulldog will bottle it due to instability/vibration?

I will start it off at 76mph (that is genuine speed from a sat nav not as indicated on the now very wrong speedo by the way) although i want Roy Castle or one of those mcwhirters in the cab with him at the time to verify the speed reading please.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on January 09, 2011, 11:21:47 PM
would YOU sit in the cab with BD at 76?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 07:40:09 AM
you lot are just ghay   :gfightsmiley:

faint heart never won fair maiden :steeringwheel:

perhaps a steady 65 then  :hysterical:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 08:03:56 AM
I obviously need to start a thread on 'Nitrous kit for a 401'  :greggmo:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 10, 2011, 01:04:33 PM
the top end speed is not the problem, it's when he needs to stop quickly with 6"s of lift and 37" tyres. the weight transfer on the suspension and the plyability in the tyre walls will show an interesting weave while under heavy braking. Coupled with steering corrections to keep in a straight line. would you want to be the driver or passenger
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on January 10, 2011, 01:27:49 PM
Got to agree with Dave69................. and that's why you need 1 ton axles a disc conversion at the back, monster servo or powerboost system for the brakes and hydro assist to keep the bugger pointed in the right direction. All doable just need to go shopping for that illusive 1 ton for parts :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bubba on January 10, 2011, 04:10:32 PM
hang on the front dif is on the wrong side is it ??
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 10, 2011, 07:44:39 PM
can't you just turn it over ??????
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on January 10, 2011, 08:13:58 PM
can't you just turn it over ??????

I reckon he will do that himself as the 78mph death wobble kicks in :hysterical:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 08:28:27 PM
Got to agree with Dave69................. and that's why you need 1 ton axles a disc conversion at the back, monster servo or powerboost system for the brakes and hydro assist to keep the bugger pointed in the right direction. All doable just need to go shopping for that illusive 1 ton for parts :icon_twisted:

have hydro boost sittin at MJS awaitin placement, and the new axles would have disc all round (D70/80 combo), so stoppin will be half way to safe

hopefully  :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: big g on January 10, 2011, 08:42:41 PM
 High speed lane changes could be intresting..


All this convinces me external roll cage is the way to go with an optional extra of h/d coil springs fitted to the roof to launch ya backover. :icon_jook:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on January 10, 2011, 08:54:42 PM
BD I have no doubt that with your enthusiasm and PhatPhux skills it will be as good as it can get and the envy of many a Birty, my only concern is you may expect too much from the old iron, it is what it is, a 30yr+ truck thats been modded to fuk. no matter how much cash and how many upgrades there is a limit to what it will do
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 09:00:31 PM
but u all told me i would break the D44's  :017:  i dunno wot i expect, its slow already so it cant get much worse, i just really wanna be able to point it up a muddy hill and say go and a few minutes later find im at the top without havin broken anything major

TBH I dont think it will be that modded, just axles, brakes, and a lift

but i really am knakered, i had to do a full day today  :jpshakehead: enthusiasm returns 2mrw
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on January 10, 2011, 09:03:31 PM
off road I recon it will be a beast and do whatever you want, I was referring to its on road characteristics, big rumpling wagons can give you a false sense of security, I know I've been there
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: tim_aka_tim on January 10, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
i just really wanna be able to point it up a muddy hill and say go and a few minutes later find im at the top without havin broken anything major

You could do that in a bone stock Mindy with a set of muds.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 09:28:31 PM
agreed Tim, but size does matter  :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: tim_aka_tim on January 10, 2011, 09:32:52 PM
Sure, but when it's too big, it don't fit anywhere.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 10, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
doesn't it depend on who's pointing out what hill to go up ?



lifted highly modded trucks do not go fast, i'd put 50 mph as an upper speed limit. plus fuel economy will dictate top end speed.

the mods you are doing are in response to the lift you intend and the wheel size you want to fit. but with the added compliance of the longer suspension springs and the height of the tyre side walls there is alot of weight of the truck wanting to move around on these two major bendy components. add speed and an emergancy stop into the pot and that forward energy has to go somewhere and that will be trying to turn the truck to the left or right by compression of the suspension and side rolling of the front tyres. you can correct this by steering in the opposite direction but remember when you relase the brakes the now compressed energy will be unloaded and the truck will then steer in the direction of the now pointing steering wheel resulting in driving off the road or something else.

were not saying stop what your doing but you have to realistically think that motorway speeds in the bstard might be a thing of the past and left to something more conventional and normal
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: MOCAJ on January 10, 2011, 09:43:59 PM
To sum up all this for you Ade,

ring Kev and ask him what he thinks. You won't believe us but he will give you his honest opinion  :icon_winkle:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 09:44:19 PM
Sure, but when it's too big, it don't fit anywhere.

so many jokes, so little time  :003:

seriously tho, we all have our quirks, be it mindy, xj, or old iron, I dont expect much of it on the road, altho admittedly the Chief may well have given me higher expectations, im only really buildin the Bastard for offroad/lanes and travelling in between (hence the 2wd & overdrive kit), and it keeps developin coz i say summink and u lot go 'ooooooh no missus, dont do that', so then i try to find a solution, and if it works out Mr H may have offered a v good one, coz the gearing is already done, they have discs all round, and i will make money back by selling on my D44's, and the 401 and mud wont bust them

so it in theory looks good, but the wheels/tyres could be a prob

admittedly 50mph will suck, but realistically leavin it on 35's with the currents axles, what would the m/way crusin speed be?

Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
To sum up all this for you Ade,

ring Kev and ask him what he thinks. You won't believe us but he will give you his honest opinion  :icon_winkle:

u read my mind, coz thats what i did this mornin, and i think it would be fair to say that he is 50% for, and 50% against, sorta

and i genuinely appreciate y'all input, coz u make me think of stuff i would ignore (like braking for instance  :003: )
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: tim_aka_tim on January 10, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
You mention that you wanna do lanes. Most of the lanes I ever did were scratchy at best, and
often impassable for anything wider or taller than an XJ or TJ. The bastard is a big vehicle to
begin with to go laning, never mind wider tyres or lift.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
ruined paint  :011:

its just big anyway Tim, but also deceptively not big as well
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 10, 2011, 09:56:45 PM
Yeah wait till you see the ML after the recent laneing trips here.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 09:59:10 PM
im obviously gonna have to factor for the cost of Phatphux knockin me up a little lockable metal cabinet for a tin of emnergency repair matt black + roller
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 10, 2011, 10:53:00 PM
hang on the front dif is on the wrong side is it ??

which one u talkin about mate?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 11, 2011, 07:27:23 PM

given the cost have you ever thought of just spending it all up front and buying a dynatrac axle  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 11, 2011, 07:29:58 PM
ooooh more avenues: wot be that Dave?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 11, 2011, 07:39:17 PM
axle porn to put it simply, Mr Henry most likely will agree.

http://www.dynatrac.com/products_trailseries.html (http://www.dynatrac.com/products_trailseries.html)


dana 60's
(http://www.dynatrac.com/images/trailseries_featureimage.jpg)
(http://www.dynatrac.com/images/image_products_97tjfaa.jpg)

military grade front axle dana 44
(http://www.dynatrac.com/images/image_prodcuts_j8f_3_l.jpg)


price  :hysterical:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 11, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
Custom axles under the Mafia cost me £18,000gbp and that was on a mates rates deal!!!!

Dynatrac are reworked axles not new.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: big g on January 11, 2011, 08:04:02 PM
Positive bargain.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 11, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
I might be wrong, but i reckon even tho on friday i crack in with a win of a £12million jackpot, i wont be doin £18k on a pair of axles  :icon_eek:

building is addictive, v addictive (  :icon_super: ), but fook my old boots - £18k axles :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on January 11, 2011, 08:48:42 PM
I might be wrong, but i reckon even tho on friday i crack in with a win of a £12million jackpot, i wont be doin £18k on a pair of axles  :icon_eek:

building is addictive, v addictive (  :icon_super: ), but fook my old boots - £18k axles :icon_eek:

Yes you would and then you would have them gold plated you tart :hysterical:

TBH so would i with 12mil in the bank
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 11, 2011, 08:50:03 PM
maybe after i had imported 20 or so various versions of old iron  :icon_super:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 22, 2011, 06:10:31 PM
Seriously Ade,

You might do better buying a rustbucket Chevy K30 or similar just to break it, 'cos you'll end up with free axles/wheels/drivetrain if you plays your cards right.



i think i have found one near me, no mot but wants £1250, will watch for a while to see if he gets desperate
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 22, 2011, 06:19:01 PM
Have you considered changing your name to Magpie67?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: greggmo on January 22, 2011, 06:59:53 PM
bd. put the boots on it that you want. if you break it then upgrade it as and when you do break it. seen some serious boots on even a 35axle with horses thrown down it and lasted very well. just get the thing workin first and use it till you need to upgrade it. hell its fun to bust stuff. its how you learn what you do need and whats just a waste of cash. if you spent enough money you could turn a ford fiesta into a challenge truck but dont that miss the point a bit. i am actualy takin stuff of my cj to make more of a challenge to my drivin abillity off road. if ya wanna just drive every trail and never get stuck buy a cheap old tractor. they cheap man. just get the thing workin and have some fun i say. you would give up before the pickup would anyway. trust me.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 22, 2011, 07:03:07 PM
Logic in that....
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bubba on January 22, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
i have already said all this to the young jedi .........but to learn much he has
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 22, 2011, 07:10:32 PM
Hey - any CUNT can put his foot to the floor....
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: greggmo on January 22, 2011, 07:20:58 PM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 22, 2011, 09:11:57 PM
but if i dont post i miss the wisdom :icon_e_ugeek:

im not throwin anymore more money at it, except bigger boots if they appear, but speculatin is fun  :003:

tbh i just wanna drive it, and run the damn thing in

Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Lornaben on January 22, 2011, 10:12:23 PM
bd. put the boots on it that you want. if you break it then upgrade it as and when you do break it. seen some serious boots on even a 35axle with horses thrown down it and lasted very well. just get the thing workin first and use it till you need to upgrade it. hell its fun to bust stuff. its how you learn what you do need and whats just a waste of cash. if you spent enough money you could turn a ford fiesta into a challenge truck but dont that miss the point a bit. i am actualy takin stuff of my cj to make more of a challenge to my drivin abillity off road. if ya wanna just drive every trail and never get stuck buy a cheap old tractor. they cheap man. just get the thing workin and have some fun i say. you would give up before the pickup would anyway. trust me.

 :iagree:

FFS Ade, Just get one working, try it out and enjoy it. Constantly buyin this an that cos the joneses said ya need one just gets ya frustrated and skint, not to mention disillusioned with it all.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 23, 2011, 09:04:29 AM
hmmm, to be fair to me it was u lot that said my D44's were dooooooooomed  :102:

that bein said, while it is entirely my fault, coz the Bastard only went in for a gearbox swap and 2wd part time kit fitted, the fact that it aint home and i aint drivin it is the problem, coz if it were home i would just be drivin it, but all the time its sittin there i keep thinkin 'may as well get that done while its there'

again tho, to be fair to me, who coulda guessed i would sleuthed down a bargain 401, or sleuthed down a well priced 6" FSJ lift kit in the UK, both rare as hens teeth so both were not items i could turn down, and i am of the opinion if ya gonna commit to doin summink, then do it properly or wholeheartedly, or dont do at all

but i dont disagree with what y'all sayin, im learnin shit all the time by askin questions, in fact, to a non jeep person i can even sound like i know what WTF im talkin about  :icon_eek:

decision tho is im gonna stack my cards behind Greggmo & Bubba and as soon as I have sold my new BFG 35's I will be sleuthin for 37's and be damned, im bankin that if and when i break anything i will have the CJ back as back up anyway  :003:

im even committed to not makin any more demands of MJS or Phatphux (this time around!) on the Bastard, nothin more to be done other than get it rollin and re-inforced

ps. im even committed to not lookin thru my 4ft stack of JP mags for a few weeks  :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wrangler07 on January 23, 2011, 09:14:01 AM
ps. im even committed to not lookin thru my 4ft stack of JP mags for a few weeks  :003:

Can I av em then? :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 23, 2011, 12:48:31 PM
TBH I was bein economical with the truth at that point  :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wrangler07 on January 23, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
TBH I was bein economical with the truth at that point  :003:

That's what I figured.. :hysterical:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 23, 2011, 04:04:35 PM
failure and breakages are all in to how heavy your right foot is and where your stuck.

learning to control the right foot is always best, a big engine tyres and left is good but but when your stuck and someone drives through with a mnear std vehicle and small engine with no problems it does make you feel a bit daft
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 23, 2011, 04:10:59 PM
To be fair i can understand you way of thinking but by doing it all at once your missing the fun of learning.

what about forgetting the lift and going for drop with long arms and bumpstopping the upward movement, would be impressive on articulation
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 23, 2011, 05:13:11 PM

what about forgetting the lift and going for drop with long arms and bumpstopping the upward movement, would be impressive on articulation

errrrrr, right  :umn:

is this actually something real or are ya just teasin me with a selection of random words that look plausible?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 23, 2011, 09:30:19 PM

this is something real as Bubba will mention. a lifted jeep still relies on the wheel wells being capable of allowing the wheel to fit inside when articulating. by swapping the suspension to a long arm setup it then allows the wheels to drop further and remain in contact with the ground still giving traction. altering the bumpstops reduces the upward travel of wheels into the wheel arch reducing the amount of damage possibly sustained from contact and excessive trimming.


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Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 23, 2011, 09:43:53 PM
damn u Dave  :lol_hitting:

cheap?

no, actually I dont think i need to know  :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 24, 2011, 08:23:45 PM
correct it's not going to be a cheap bought in solution.

get the bstard road legal and rolling as is then you can think of where you want it to be after driving it
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 24, 2011, 08:25:54 PM
very evil of u to even tempt me off the path to redemption
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 24, 2011, 08:54:28 PM
been down that route to price up the long arm for the xj, expensive and too many manufacturers and options, the wife would lynch me.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on January 24, 2011, 08:59:48 PM
Today is a good day to die!!!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on January 24, 2011, 09:01:40 PM
been down that route to price up the long arm for the xj, expensive and too many manufacturers and options, the wife would lynch me.

im impressed she would have a clue
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 26, 2011, 08:37:29 PM
the downside is that she does know whats altered on the jeep and if i swapped it too long arm she would know.

it is a great time to die but then i wouldn't be enjoying the new suspension
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: JamesH on January 27, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
Go on Dave you know you want to  :icon_twisted:

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Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave69 on January 27, 2011, 08:07:44 PM
i know i do and it's the next mod, but i might have to work on a plan for a self build or something as that might be cheaper than bought in.

Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: JamesH on January 28, 2011, 01:11:51 PM
Self build is probably what I'd do if I did it again. Definitely spend money on quality fittings like Johhny Joints on all ends though. Plus if you build your own you may as well link the rear and fit coils too!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on March 01, 2011, 11:27:04 AM
so, just out of curiosity, would Toyota LJ78 axles be an upgrade on the Bastard that could cope with 37's?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on March 01, 2011, 11:33:03 AM
I think you know the answer :ace:



Say after me........................


I need one tons ....................... I need one tons......................I need one tons............... :icon_twisted: :icon_super:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on March 01, 2011, 01:03:15 PM
ok, may be I am tempted  :hysterical:

are ya really sure before I say yes?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on March 01, 2011, 07:54:05 PM
One ton are the answer for 37" dig very deep you southern pooooooooof :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on March 01, 2011, 07:59:35 PM
so that particular yota ones are ok?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bubba on March 01, 2011, 08:01:18 PM
go look up parts costs for them that will put you off
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on March 01, 2011, 08:01:45 PM
so that particular yota ones are ok?

Hell NO!!!!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on March 01, 2011, 08:06:48 PM
resounding double NOPE then
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: isle of man on March 01, 2011, 08:08:30 PM
Give that man a cigar!!!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on March 01, 2011, 09:03:31 PM
I would prefer a banana
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on March 01, 2011, 09:18:02 PM
you smoke bananas :icon_eek: weirdo :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on March 01, 2011, 09:31:51 PM
dont give me that, everyone has tried smokin bananas for the urban hallucinogenic myth at some point
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on March 01, 2011, 10:27:00 PM
 :hysterical: :hysterical:

nope not me must be a southern thing anyway horse tranquillizer is the way forward so im told :icon_winkle:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on May 18, 2011, 09:02:25 PM
what about these:

http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=13535&sid=61d84d6ade01aab64e45b51744f6609e (http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=13535&sid=61d84d6ade01aab64e45b51744f6609e)
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: normalbloke on May 18, 2011, 10:38:54 PM
On the bay too..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/unimog-404-portal-axles-and-20-wheels-and-tyres-/140550436533?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20b97576b5#ht_720wt_922 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/unimog-404-portal-axles-and-20-wheels-and-tyres-/140550436533?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20b97576b5#ht_720wt_922)
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on May 19, 2011, 10:54:23 PM
these are the ones for you bulldog, but dig deep fella... how much..........

Wildwood look away now...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dana-60-Custom-Axles-OFF-Road-ARB-Air-lockers-/200605498467?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb504fc63 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dana-60-Custom-Axles-OFF-Road-ARB-Air-lockers-/200605498467?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb504fc63)
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on May 20, 2011, 12:32:39 AM
What..how much....... :hysterical: :hysterical:

No no no its got to be ghetto...

If ya want the ultimate axles you got to buy the whole vehicle....then its a done deal of cheapness (relative)

Repeat after me..........

Dana 60 up front and 14 bolt at rear............ you know it makes sense........ :icon_super:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on May 20, 2011, 08:08:14 AM
these are the ones for you bulldog, but dig deep fella... how much..........

Wildwood look away now...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dana-60-Custom-Axles-OFF-Road-ARB-Air-lockers-/200605498467?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb504fc63 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dana-60-Custom-Axles-OFF-Road-ARB-Air-lockers-/200605498467?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb504fc63)

 :icon_eek: even with the boggers that would be a mad price
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on May 20, 2011, 08:09:37 AM

Dana 60 up front and 14 bolt at rear............ you know it makes sense........ :icon_super:

At some point im gonna have to go back over ya threads and find out what the 14 bolt came off
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on May 20, 2011, 01:59:55 PM

Wildwood look away now... But then I had to look at the pics :jpshakehead:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dana-60-Custom-Axles-OFF-Road-ARB-Air-lockers-/200605498467?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb504fc63 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dana-60-Custom-Axles-OFF-Road-ARB-Air-lockers-/200605498467?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2eb504fc63)
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Remember the guy whose Ford dana 60 I went to look at............ and it was a Dodge 3/4 ton photographed upside down?? :icon_biggrin: :jpshakehead:

Well this is the same bloke....... recognised the Yellow bogger on the CJ (how sad is that?)
looks like he is breaking his now unused off road rig..has a SBC in it and a cage, and is a fair old tool............

Shame to break it really  :icon_twisted: Now you all know........... bit expensive  I think :steeringwheel:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: dieselj20 on May 21, 2011, 09:05:04 PM
bought a pair off eBay last year from a f250 snow fighter advertised incorrectly  :icon_super:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on November 10, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
so, who knows about these: http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=15102 (http://forum.difflock.com/ads_item.php?id=15102)

ratio?
discs F&R?
width?
quality?

owt else?

cheers birtys :greggmo:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on November 10, 2011, 10:30:40 PM
dont worry, i just re-read this thread, yota ones got voted off coz of cost of spares

Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: wildwood on November 11, 2011, 09:59:15 AM
Just remembered this thread...Just........

As I said above bloke has a dodge 3/4 ton front and there is still the ad in Merseyside for the Chev van rear that maybe is a dana70..... bet you could wangle both for £600.......... all your probs solved  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on November 11, 2011, 09:25:42 PM
What problem? it dosent move on the axles it had as standard  :jpshakehead:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on November 11, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
you are my inspiration sparky :wave-fingersmiely:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on November 11, 2011, 09:56:23 PM
Start getting worried Bulldog, pricing a job up at Chatham now, im getting closer to you saaaarthners by the minute......
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on November 11, 2011, 10:30:28 PM
kettle is on mate  :greggmo:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on November 11, 2011, 11:20:56 PM
Thought you would have a cafetiere for the Northern guest Bd   :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on November 11, 2011, 11:43:54 PM
Thort u woud b scared enuff witnessin electrivity and heating that isnt coal fired for the first time mate, but if ya feelin brave i coud  throw in a croissant (think flat pie wiv no fillin)  :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Nosebolt on November 12, 2011, 11:35:08 AM
it's spelt quarantine not cafetiere
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on November 12, 2011, 06:44:39 PM
If i wasn't relaxing in my tin bath next to the open fire after a hard day scrubbing the threshold clean then i may of been offended by that comment NB. :003:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on November 12, 2011, 06:48:27 PM
 :rotflmao: how deep is the queue waitin for their turn  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Bulldog67 on March 06, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
The K30?

Mmnnnn I wonder who just did that........................... :icon_biggrin:

Seriously.............way to go... you get axle ratios that match and all the bits that are a bear to find like U-bolts hoses etc...... not really a hassle just time and money and e-mails to replace what you get for free if you get a complete hulk. :icon_super:

is this heap a K30?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CHEVY-BLAZER-4X4-AMERICAN-TRUCK-SPARES-/160755212062?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item256dc1df1e#ht_642wt_1185 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CHEVY-BLAZER-4X4-AMERICAN-TRUCK-SPARES-/160755212062?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item256dc1df1e#ht_642wt_1185)
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Delk on March 06, 2012, 03:48:53 PM
K30-K25 equals a K5 Blazer. Most likely GM 10 bolt axles. I think the out knuckles and brakes maybe the same as a Dana 44 but not sure.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Delk on March 06, 2012, 03:51:48 PM
Some of the early Blazers from the 70's did have Dana 44 front axles but not many.
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: WillCJ on March 06, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
Not hi-jacking, but when the dust settles I am still looking for spare innards or complete dana 30wide track for my CJ. OR, even, options for replacement/upgrades, my next step dana 44's? at least front one!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on March 06, 2012, 10:26:36 PM
What D30 bits do you need Will?
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: WillCJ on March 07, 2012, 07:33:07 PM
What D30 bits do you need Will?

Still after 4.10 R&P as mine have teeth missing, might have sorted a carrier out, as mine is welded up, but may still need one. Spare halfshafts won't go amiss, as you know!
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: Dave The Sparky on March 07, 2012, 10:29:40 PM
May have been through this before but i think all my stuff that im not using is 3.31 and lower, so the carriers will be wrong i would of thought.
Probably easier to order the carrier and ring and pinion from the States then :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Dana 44 heavy duty/alloy shafts
Post by: jeepcj on March 08, 2012, 08:55:55 AM
What D30 bits do you need Will?

Still after 4.10 R&P as mine have teeth missing, might have sorted a carrier out, as mine is welded up, but may still need one. Spare halfshafts won't go amiss, as you know!
I have a D30 with 4.10 gears, the R&P is blown but the carrier should be fine, and also I have the rear amc 20, this is for a q/track so is off centre, but the 4.10 R&P is there. PM me if you are interested