Birty Dastards Jeep Club
Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: ferretjuggler on February 04, 2011, 07:34:12 AM
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Suggestions wellcomed for a big cheap diesel engine to power a FSJ Cherokee, as much as I love the V8, I just can't afford it as a DD :011:
I've got a divorced Dana 300 (out of a Transit 4x4 conversion) put aside so that I could use the engine/transmission from a large 4x2 van or small truck.
Question is what?
Standard size 2.5 TD units from vans and 4x4s are not gonna pull two tons of FSJ with any gusto.
Gotta be at least 3 litres and turbo'd I'd think :017:
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Best older diesel I have driven is the older LC 4.2TD, dunno how cheap to source one though. Modern ones have too much eletrickery about them
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Cummins 6BT out of a Leyland Roadrunner. Problem is that a big diesel is still thirtsy, and costs that much
more at the pump.
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Something out of an old Isuzu?
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Cummins 6BT out of a Leyland Roadrunner. Problem is that a big diesel is still thirtsy, and costs that much
more at the pump.
Too big for a FSJ engine bay by about 4" or so, I seen some on the IFSJA with their radiators pushed out into where the front bumper should be :017:
Not for me.
I drove one of the aforementioned Leyland Roadrunners back in the '90's, but with the Leyland engine fitted.
I got about 17-18mpg with an average all up weight of about four and a half tons
I'm thinking Cruiser 4.2 if I could find one, maybe even Isuzu 3.1 at a push................ :017:
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how about a merc lump? something out of an old van or estate?
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thought the cummins was the same as in the Dodge Ram ..............FSJ engine bay that much smaller then??
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wasn't there a Germany based guy that put a 6BT in his FSJ?
4.2 Landcruiser seems a good option
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There is/was a firm that converts the 4.2 (or 4.6 or whatever) petrol Range Rover by fitting a 2.8 turbo diesel Mitsubishi engine. My other vehicle is a 2.8TD Mitsubishi Delica, and the engine will easily power a Jeep......BUT, I've been comparing the fuel economy of my 4 litre Jeep against my 2.8TD Mitsubishi, and they;re about the same. The Mitsu was averaging 18mpg, and the Jeep is averaging about 19mpg, and petrol is cheaper than diesel, so the Jeep is proving cheaper to run.
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the german has a 6bt there are some u tube vids
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the german
jeep cherokee chief cummins. april 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nynG0jtdEv0#)
AMC Jeep Cherokee Chief 4x4 Cummins Diesel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8q4KPP3N2U#)
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much as i admire German engineering FJ dood, are ya serious? A tractor engine in a Chief? Dont ya feel all dirty and soiled for even thinkin it?
save yaself dood, 5 of the CJ prayer and throwin some water over ya head may get ya beck into redemption, then hammer that V8 :icon_super:
diseasel :jpshakehead:
ps. Dawg - the shop link says: MySQL Error Occurred
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he is just stating the obvious a huge heavy thing like a fulsize is not goint to be a viable daily drive with a v8 carbed petrol fine for tooling around on a sunny sat afternoon but as a daily :icon_eek: :icon_eek:
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price ya gonna pay for an engine, plus the time puttin it in (im assumin he doesnt work for free for anyone else so therefore wont count it as free work), plus the extra cost of diesel, means he is gonna be a few years in before he is up on costs, so he may as well stay petrol and see where he is in a few years time
surely half the joy of old iron is floorin the V8, or burblin thru the traffic, not trundlin thru the traffic to the accompanied by the sweet tones of tumble dryer full of old cutlery
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its like findin yaself amazingly hitched to a beautiful sexy woman but makin her wear a susan boyle mask every time she blows you :078:
its just wrong :003:
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4.2 cruiser engine 1 inch longer than amc 4.2
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never seen one in a jeep but would think it would be very good
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Fits well have a 96 24 valve in the j20
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sounds good happy with power and performance ?
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Fits well have a 96 24 valve in the j20
i dont want my previously expressed sentiments to cloud any judgements u may make when decidin to sell the smorgeous J20 to me :003:
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if you could die of optimism you would be dead by now mate
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if you could die of optimism you would be dead by now mate
u are blessed with words of truth tonight Bubba, hopeless optimism is my downfall ................. and saviour :icon_super:
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power 165 bhp not to shabby but intercooling shortly hoping for 200 sorry bd not for sale
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ah but the optimist in me says ya never know ............ one day ............... :greggmo:
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Like the Cummins in the FSJ.....what a sound track :icon_super: :icon_super:
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I'd seen those German clips before, but forgot it were a 6BT in there.
Obviously German garden shed technology is way ahead of America :icon_eek:, or maybe it's just that (judging by the size of his front yard), the kraut has a much deeper wallet, and can afford custom built goodies, like a custom radiator.
I've heard of these lumps pushing out massive power/torque figures when tuned right, enough to make a good V8 go limp :icon_redface:
I'd seriously consider investing big (by my standards) bucks in building one of these.
I'm just wondering what it weighs and how much the handling will be affected.
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much as i admire German engineering FJ dood, are ya serious? A tractor engine in a Chief? Dont ya feel all dirty and soiled for even thinkin it?
save yaself dood, 5 of the CJ prayer and throwin some water over ya head may get ya beck into redemption, then hammer that V8 :icon_super:
diseasel :jpshakehead:
Just been mooching around on Wikipedia at cummins 6BT and derivatives.
Point taken about the lusty power output of a big V8, which a turbo diesel will never match.
But as for having to wait for a slow noisy slogging old diesel, try 350BHP and 660 ft lb of tourqe
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my 'wisdom' is based purely on to the skill of holding onto to a single unsubstantiated ideal supported only by a love of V8 noise :lol_hitting:
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A 2.5 VM diesal will fit right in there....
Sorry.... i will get my coat....
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:hysterical: i was tempted last night to point out the same, but wasnt brave enuff
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You wussss !!!!!!!!
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come on dood, mention the 2.5 is near suicidal :003:
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A 2.5 VM diesal will fit right in there....
Sorry.... i will get my coat....
Dunno if the (in)famous italian masterpiece would cope well with two tons of yank iron around it :greggmo:
Its legendary stamina and reliability might suffer under the increased loading :003:
Seriously, if someone threw a CJ at me that had already had a VM dropped in, I would run it.
As long as it was cheap enough to break up and get my cash back when the inevitable occurred
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The VM will drag a 2ton XJ around OK - well it does mine.
But got to say don't expect to accelerate up an hill at anything over 70 :jpshakehead:
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The XJ is a monocoque unibody SUV and is much lighter than any J series.
Found a curb weight on Wiki of 1523Kg for the XJ whereas my 4 door Cherokee V8 weighs 2010Kg empty on a weighbridge.
Try putting a 500Kg load in your XJ then see how the acceleration is :icon_eek:
And that's before adding potential passengers, luggage, trailer etc.
Yes it would pull it, probably about as well as the petrol 4.2 straight six, but not as relaxed to drive.
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you could always regear it.
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Found a curb weight on Wiki of 1523Kg for the XJ whereas my 4 door Cherokee V8 weighs 2010Kg empty on a weighbridge.
Try putting a 500Kg load in your XJ then see how the acceleration is :icon_eek:
I said a 2000Kg XJ :banghead: - well actually it was 2010Kg last time it was on the weigh bridge :jpshakehead:
I do know what weight they are standard - but mine ain't standard
Google is good sometimes - but actual experience counts more in my book......
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I had the 3.1 Isuzu lump in my Bighorn and it had decent pulling power but not overly quick and still only returned 20mpg,
I then had a rodeo 3litre with prodrive, much quicker diesel engine but only got 17 / 18mpg and even less towing.
Hense buying a V8, thought I may as well have crap mpg and have a V8 sound track