Birty Dastards Jeep Club
Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: big_patrol on December 07, 2011, 01:49:00 AM
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Right well, as some of you know I bought Tanks old TJ. No sooner had I bought it I was getting ideas. I decided to change the things that I consider to be wranglers bad points.
For starters I wanted to lower it to get as many of the standard (or near to) angles back. This would make it work better on and off road.
I didnt want to sacrifice ground clearence though. So the first obvious thing was the std Jeep skid or anchor as it should be named. On this motor it had been lowered to help the slip yoke.
So I had a good read up on various tj build threads and decided on a route to take.
I bought myself
2" Iron man lift springs
4 adj johnny joint type lower control arms
A sye and double cardon prop
4.56 gears
A spartan locker similar to a lockright for the rear
A tds goodwinch and bow rope
Then after chatting to James, we decided to fab new
Low profile skid plate
New slightly boatsided rockers with tube
Along with high line tube fenders which give enough room to run 35"+ tyres with a 2" lift
A tank gaurd
A new stubby front winch bumper
So for those of you that dont recall when I got it, it looked like this
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Had to have a little play with the fork lift so we flexed it up
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We had sun for nearly ten minutes one day so I took the hard top off and bought a bikini top for it
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Then it was time for the work to begin so on with the new lift and off with the wings ready for tube also tore the bumper and old rockers off
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Here you can see the tube wings taking place notice the bonnet has been attacked too. You can really see the clearence gains.
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A little shot from underneath to show how they are braced on to the grill.
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Next is the new much flatter and much tougher skid.
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This is the new look front bumper complete with winch and holes in grill ready for the new indicators.
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Last picture for now we have the skid fitted and painted I have more belly clearence mow with only 2" of lift than before with 4".
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Hope you all like the progress. Im so excited to get it back.
Danny
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Thats looking real good....... :010: :010:
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Dont worry im taking really good care of it. You will see it again some day Im sure
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i'm liking the tube fenders :greggmo:
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:iagree: indeed, they be on my 'stage 1' list for the 7
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nice, I'm liking the tube fenders, how much for another set?
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Thanks for the comments guys glad you're l liking the work.
As for a price its not just that simple, there are some choices to make on what exactly you're after.
1 Do you want to go highline for the maximum clearence?
2 Do you want tube flares aswell at the wings?
3 Do you want a complete job ie inner wings, new repeater and relocation of the indicator to the grill
4 Paint
If you choose the highline fenders like I have then you are really going to want the rears to match, other wise it will look all wrong.
If you want to ring and discuss possibilities then You need James on 01422 833373.
I thought there would be some interest so I prompted him on a price for full front and rear highline fender and flare kit, installed = £800 which is very chear as believe me this is no two minute job.
Danny
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i realise they ain't exactly a simple job, but ffs its only a bit of tube and an angle grinder. For £800 i could easily get a set of real ones sent from poison spyder, so for that reason, i'm out!
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As against these fake ones :banghead:
If you think you dropping your car off then picking it up complete with ooodles more room for tires ready to drive away is a rip off at £800 then I want the number of your fabrication people. Comparing having a job done to buying a product is like chalk and cheese. Plus buying bolt on tube fenders is fook all like what I have had done. Highline fenders require alot of time. As for it just being a grinder and some tube then why would you possibly need to get them from poison spyder? Infact why are you even asking how much for a set if its so easy? The bolt on front flares alone from poison spyder are $550 by the way so you are a little way off there too.
Out of interest how much did you pay for your cage peanuts I presume with it just being tube and grinders.
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NOW NOW RELAX!!!!
Go kick the cat or something.....
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As against these fake ones :banghead:
If you think you dropping your car off then picking it up complete with ooodles more room for tires ready to drive away is a rip off at £800 then I want the number of your fabrication people. Comparing having a job done to buying a product is like chalk and cheese. Plus buying bolt on tube fenders is fook all like what I have had done. Highline fenders require alot of time. As for it just being a grinder and some tube then why would you possibly need to get them from poison spyder? Infact why are you even asking how much for a set if its so easy? The bolt on front flares alone from poison spyder are $550 by the way so you are a little way off there too.
Out of interest how much did you pay for your cage peanuts I presume with it just being tube and grinders.
Advanced Automotive: 01983 614350 ask for Patrick or Phill!, heh you could even have a holiday on the Island for a week whilst they are doing stuff
When I asked poison spyder about their flares, they also wanted $600 to ship em so including that in the price, and customs duty blah de blah, then I reckon it'd just about come to £800-£1000, bit pricey for my liking.
Look at the end of the day I like what you are doing, The flares and your tummy tuck look great am a bit jealous really, oh and i think the notion of having a small lift and lots of clearance is spot on, something I would like to try in the future. At the moment I am working down the theory of more droop and more bumpstop...
I will get mine hi-lined with tube fenders, trust me I desperatly need them, as I keep stuffing my wings into trees.
My cage all said and done bar paint came to around £1500 iirc, and that was after redesigning the middle hoop, ordering extra tube to incorporate the rear sliders and having my side steps re-worked to tie the cage in.
At the end of the day its looking good mate, carry on the good work, I look forward to seeing it in the flesh one day
Oh, and apologies, I didn't read it correct the first time, I now see it says front and rear, my bad.......Carry on!
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IN THE FLESH :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek:
For my sins I want to see a 19-year-old virgin in the flesh :icon_biggrin:
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IN THE FLESH :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek: :icon_eek:
For my sins I want to see a 19-year-old virgin in the flesh :icon_biggrin:
Keep on dreamin ... :098:
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No problem all good, I have been up for over 30 hrs so maybe a little cranky :icon_biggrin:
Yeah its front and rear fitted so like I say its very cheap.
Now time for a pic of said rears
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rear arches lots of room for up travel
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Here you can see the trick little gusset with dimple die
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Danny
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:icon_super: exactly what im after for the CJ, altho £800 is too rich for me (and I do just mean too rich for me :003: )
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If I was gonna order a set it'd be for fronts only as I'm not far off cutting the rear tub off mine and tray backing it, however, I got a scruitineering list to work to first before things I'd like to do, get done.
Are you gonna re position your fuel tank?
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Fuel tank is just getting a skid for now, but when ever i look at it I get angry stupid fat hanging down thing.
Just dont wanna loose the rear tub space.
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Heads up!!! Be carefull on the rear wheel arch - touch point for big tyres is the front facing arch edge anything over 37 will touch!!!
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Heads up!!! Be carefull on the rear wheel arch - touch point for big tyres is the front facing arch edge anything over 37 will touch!!!
unless stretched?
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as a guide I made my own front tube fenders, no arch extensions, materials cost me a bit under £80 and took me a couple of weekends to make em.
did also have to buy a tube bender but that was only a £99 eBay special
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Heads up!!! Be carefull on the rear wheel arch - touch point for big tyres is the front facing arch edge anything over 37 will touch!!!
unless stretched?
Oh yes the 100inch!!!!
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Heads up!!! Be carefull on the rear wheel arch - touch point for big tyres is the front facing arch edge anything over 37 will touch!!!
unless stretched?
Oh yes the 100inch!!!!
one day, maybe late part of 2012/2013.....
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as a guide I made my own front tube fenders, no arch extensions, materials cost me a bit under £80 and took me a couple of weekends to make em.
did also have to buy a tube bender but that was only a £99 eBay special
:003: show off
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Yeah this motor will not see above 35's I have tried to mod it to suit them.
Once the chese axles are binned It will be stretched and run 37's. That wont be for a good while though. I need to get my buggy finished first.
If all goes to plan though the 2" lift will still clear the 37's once the rear arch is lengthened backwards.
2" lift and 37's hopefully resulting in a nice driveable road car, Watch this space.
If I had realised a few weeks ago that it was possible to run a dana 300 behind a ax15 and give right hand drop front prop it would of had been done first time.
Never mind she will do for now.
I have bought a set of 35x12.50x15 maxxis creepy crawlers too, and some matt lee beadlock rings to weld on. :greggmo:
Danny
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ok, where do you get the matt lee weld on beadlocks?
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I got them straight from Matt Lee. He charges 50 per rim but they come with the nuts and bolts. I chose these because they are the are recessed for the bead instead of the flat type that try to beand the ring.
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Right then................ as I'm half way through doing this to the '1Ton' I can say that some bits are really easy.....................
I'm with Bruce on this............. my 'crinkler' was £88 and 6metre lengths of 1and 1/4 10g are £45 around here.....
So 2 J shape lengths and some equal angle and you have the 'skeleton....................... easy.....................so far :icon_twisted:
BUT.......Doing the fender flares and covering in 2mm and incorporating the inners is a major job......... I've got to be into 40+ hours now and still got to cover second side and then spray and finish and fit :icon_twisted:
I raised my fenders and trimmed hood 2 years ago and that took me 45hrs............. so you can see how it mounts up......
Now if I was doing this again I would want £800 of tube bender a tube notcher and pipemaster needle dies................... so there's £1100
just in gear to do the job and save time..................
The rears I'm leaving for the moment........................... :jpshakehead:
So as usual tis the labour................. .....So yes £800 is good.................. but spraying finishing etc ........
Nice job tho.................
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ok, where do you get the matt lee weld on beadlocks?
"I got them straight from Matt Lee"
Legendary!
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BUT.......Doing the fender flares and covering in 2mm and incorporating the inners is a major job......... I've got to be into 40+ hours now and still got to cover second side and then spray and finish and fit :icon_twisted:
Jez chillin on merlot in Norfolk hours are on a 10 to 1 deficit ratio tho :003:
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Thanks BD....................... tis the Merlot factor that does it........................ 20mins work and 40 mins looking and then having a further 40 min think :icon_biggrin:
Have spent most of late afternoon and just come in 8.00 pm after doing the 2mm steel plate on the last fender.................. need more expensive tools to make the accuracy more...................... easier........................ etc...................
Right then................ Nicky Horne Planet Rock....Amps Off...... I'm back to the Merlot.............. cheers Dastards
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20mins work and 40 mins looking and then having a further 40 min think
WW.....recognize that :icon_super: I can just sit there and stare at the truck , thinking, what will I do next...and how will I go about it :icon_winkle:
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the website for the beadlocks is www.mach5wheels.co.uk (http://www.mach5wheels.co.uk)
He doesnt mention the weld on beadlocks on there but I just rang him up, He was great to deal with and dispatched them straight away.
Danny
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Thanks, I' m in the process of seeing if he can turn my American racing alloys into beadlocks :003:
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Ohhh foooook he does 20" me want!!!
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Everything you want is either 19 or 20! :003: :hysterical:
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You know what they say about someone always wanting bigger and better......making up for other "inadequacies" in the trouser department
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Indeed a 32" waist to match!!
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I had one of them...........once!!! :lol_hitting:
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we all had one like that once..... bit of a while ago tho for me lol
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19 or 20 and a size 8.................... screens please nurse :pop:
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I also fall in to the always wanting bigger ended up putting my 35's on today. Ill add pictures later. She is all done now im over the moon with the outcome too.
Here is a pic after painnting, bonnet back green now too. Ill get some pics tomorrow with the new rocker gaurds and side bars.
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Danny
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looks great but I can't help but think chevy v8 for some strange reason :017:
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any mansized V8 :017:
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Dont listen to those ghay boyz, Japanese engine and axles you know its the way forward Danny :icon_winkle:
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oh Dave oh Dave oh Dave
what are we to do with you :jpshakehead:
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I would love any decent cube v8, but I want my wrangler to use and use hard. Telling my self i have to hold the 4.0 back is going to be hard enough. Im use to the comforting feeling the nissan axles give me. that security has now gone. So until I have axles I trust then no more power. My other build has to be finished before the wrangler goes extreme.
One day though ill rebuild it properly :greggmo:
Its also hard not to out the reliable japanese options in there that I love.
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oh Dave oh Dave oh Dave
what are we to do with you :jpshakehead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQuJxfKPrQ
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Well she is done, went for a little play today and all I can say is wow. Its amazing. Keeping it low has done wonders for many things. It drives spot on down the woad despite 35" crossplys. Then when you pull on the rough stuff it really comes into its own.
Didnt get many pics but here you go
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Danny
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gota say I'm impressed, good looking and understated and looks very capable, look forward to seeing it used in anger, well done dood :icon_super:
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Thanks glad you like it and understated was the hope. Dont worry when you do see it, ill be using it properly.
Danny
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nice, I like it alot :icon_winkle:
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any new pics? like of your cage? :icon_biggrin:
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and whats happened to the lexus buggy?
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The lexus buggy is currently minus its rear winch as its on the wrangler. It will be finished one day though.
I have one on my phone ill post it in a min
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here is one not the best of the cage but you get the idea.
I was testing the locker out for the first time lol
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cool, fuel tank has moved I see :greggmo:
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Yeah it sure has good eyes by the way. next step is to run back bumper at the height of the bottom of the back door and chop the chassis rails to gain a few deg on the departure angle. I have some cool vids from sunday that ill post soon.
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or just go straight box/tube straight aft after the chassis rails swoop up :003:
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aww you ruined the surprise now :010:
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Doh, bad Willo!