Topic: Lift, Wheels, Tyres and protection (Read 18063 times)

Rikk · « **on:** October 26, 2005, 02:01:42 PM »

Hi chaps, been lurking for a while and would like to ask a couple of q's.

I have a Grand Cherokee which I use for greenlaning and would like to make it more capable.

I'm looking to get a 3 inch lift and was thinking of the procomp lift kit which I would get fitted by someone like mdg, anyone using this kit with likes and dislikes?
I also need to get bushes sorted front and rear as I'm getting knocking going over bumps etc, would it be worthwhile getting them replaced with polybushes while getting the lift done?

I currently have AT tyres but would like something better suited to muddy greenlanes which brings me to.

Once the lift/bushes are done I'd like to fit bigger wheels/tyres what would be the largest I could go for without needing to change gearing? and what would be the best onroad tyre thats also a capable agresisve AT or MT? A couple of people recommended procomp x-terrain, would these fit the bill as a good offroad and onroad tyre? btw I'm not worried about having to replace them every 10-20k miles

Almost forgot, after a run in with a home built offroad course (not mine) I would like to sort some underbody protection, what needs protecting, where can I get this from and is it simple enough to fit yourself?

Thanks for listening

............Rikk

Anonymous · « **Reply #1 on:** October 26, 2005, 02:13:49 PM »

Hiya Rikk

Welcome to the Dastards

I'd go for BFG MT's myself

What year is your Grand?

Rikk · « **Reply #2 on:** October 26, 2005, 02:33:57 PM »

Doh, missed the obvious

it's a 98 orvis

Anonymous · « **Reply #3 on:** October 26, 2005, 02:58:13 PM »

Hiya Rikk, seen you had a go at the 4x4 haters in the ukfamily forum, good on ya, Im the one winding them up

Anonymous · « **Reply #4 on:** October 26, 2005, 03:37:11 PM »

Procomp seem to be set very stiff, I wouldn't use the es9000 shocks if doing much road us, stick to the oil ones. Also if you polybush it get genuine polybush and get the comfort ones, the normal ones transfer too much noise into the cabin (persolally I'd stick with rubber ones)

For tyres I'd stick with AT's until you get fed up of getting stuck :lol:

Muds can be noisey and are horrible on icey roads, being a cheapskate I use Colway tyres, copies of BFG patterns and dirt cheap, and so much better than any goodyear tyre in the wet

Anonymous · « **Reply #5 on:** October 26, 2005, 03:46:49 PM »

Quote from: "offroading.net"

Procomp seem to be set very stiff, I wouldn't use the es9000 shocks if doing much road us, stick to the oil ones.

I just have to disagre with ya there Steve

Anonymous · « **Reply #6 on:** October 26, 2005, 03:54:57 PM »

who says you right :butthead: :rotflmao:

I prefer soft setups & find the 9000 too harsh for me

Anonymous · « **Reply #7 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:02:09 PM »

Mate honestly the ES9000,s on the ZJ were like being in a boat it was that soft, maybe it was the springs in the procomp kit as well.

Dingo · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:10:02 PM »

Neither are right it's just your opinion. Everyone I've spoken to who has had leaf springs from there have said they are stiff, and those with coils have said they are soft, am I right?

Anonymous · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:10:48 PM »

nope, ran the shocks on thier own with standard springs.

Anonymous · « **Reply #10 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:13:46 PM »

Fair point there Ding.
As to answer Riks's question
Soft on a ZJ
Harder on a XJ

Should we agree on thet gents?

Anonymous · « **Reply #11 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:21:21 PM »

think procomp try to do a catch all shock, I have had them on XJ's (way, way to stiff, especially on the rear) & a TJ (standard springs). I think they may be better on the Grand due to the weight but its personal taste, on a standard height TJ they ruined the ride, on a XJ standard or lifted they were too harsh for me. I am on the lookout for some oil shocks for my current XJ as I want armchair ride more :smt015

than

Anonymous · « **Reply #12 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:26:20 PM »

Armchair ride mode sounds good to me as well!

Manda · « **Reply #13 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:30:18 PM »

Personally, tyre wise BFG's are expensive. I have Cooper Discoverer STTs (I paid £85 a corner fitted and balanced) and I think they're great. Nice tread pattern, good side pattern and a different compound which means they wear well and give better traction in the wet. I have found them great off road too.

Anonymous · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:35:51 PM »

£85 per corner? TO be honest thats what I paid for me BFG,s

Manda · « **Reply #15 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:38:05 PM »

That's a good price, that may have swayed my decision!! (Bronco have 31x10.5R15 for £120 something...)

Anonymous · « **Reply #16 on:** October 26, 2005, 04:57:42 PM »

I pay £38 for colways :lol:

Anonymous · « **Reply #17 on:** October 26, 2005, 05:00:51 PM »

Aint Colways remoulds :-k

Anonymous · « **Reply #18 on:** October 26, 2005, 05:13:48 PM »

the term is recycled these days, and they are just as good as non remoulds (better imho)

Rikk · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2005, 05:29:37 PM »

Cheers for the info gents. I do prefure a stiffer ride as I like to feel what I'm driving on and how the car reacts.

I do tend to drive the jeep quite hard, how much did you find having the lift and larger tyres affected the general driving and how much did you find it slow down acceleration?

I do a lot of mway driving during the summer doing photography shoots at the weekends and crusie along at 80-90 any issues with the lift and tyres doing this kind of driving??

The standard wheels are fitted at the moment, I was looking at getting some chrome moduler wheels, the standard ones are 9inch? so would need 10.5 inch to fit that size?

I currently use Birdgestone 694 AT's and find them exceptional on road and great offroad untill it gets really sticky then it's running on slicks

What is the size of the wheels/tyres in your avatar pic owen? just to give me an idea of size.

Anonymous · « **Reply #20 on:** October 26, 2005, 05:37:17 PM »

Rikk

Have a google on NAGCA and have a look at what the Yanks do to their grands :shock:

Anonymous · « **Reply #21 on:** October 26, 2005, 06:17:00 PM »

In the avitar they are standard wheels with 31/1050 BFG AT,s

chrisjones · « **Reply #22 on:** October 26, 2005, 08:02:02 PM »

I have to say Owens old ZJ is super plush with the procomp shocks.

I'd say, if anything, a bit too soft for the road.

Steve, if you're looking for shocks for the XJ try the skyjacker soft ride ones, they're real nice.

Rikk · « **Reply #23 on:** October 26, 2005, 08:40:21 PM »

Hmmm, the GC is soft enough now I'd hate to have it any softer, after driving mercs and bmws I tend to throw it around and like feedback from the road.

Blimey the guys on that nagca forum really don't like procomp much.

have to see if I can track someone down local to me and ponce a ride

Rikk · « **Reply #24 on:** October 26, 2005, 10:12:07 PM »

Been looking around at tyres and wheels and had a thought, please tell me if this is dumb.

Ok, suggested size was 31/10.5/16 I'd like something with more offroad grip than my AT's but obviously going for that Ill loose onroad grip because of less rubber on the road.
What about dropping in wheel size to 15's then going for a 31/12.5/15 this would seem to give about 1.5inches extra width for the same diameter so more rubber on the road.

Ok I got my flame retardant newbie suit on go for it

..........Rikk

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