Topic: P1130..... (Read 34230 times)

MudSurfer · « **on:** May 04, 2011, 06:30:19 PM »

I started writing this on my phone thingy, while sitting on the tailgate of my WJ on the M54 Easbound near Telford this afternoon - as my trusty Jeep decided on the way to a very important meeting that it was going to throw P1130 at me - Low Fuel Pressure, and slow right down, and stall on the hard shoulder. I turned off the ignition, gave it 10 seconds, and tried again....success.....for all of 20 or so seconds and it did it again.

So - pulled over, called RAC, started typing thread, then phone died.....great.

Got recovered home, but we (Pete from the RAC and I) fuel was getting to the rail, and each injector, bled the rail (using that weird little white pluggy thing), hand primed the system to bypass the filter, checked the filter for water.....still nothing, won't fire. Disconnected the battery to clear the fault code and try again, but to no avail.

We can't see if it's an injector leaking, and there are no obvious signs of the pump having failed, so a bit stuck....

Help, please.....it's dead on the drive....

Bulldog67 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 04, 2011, 06:36:37 PM »

shift it to the tech section and wait for Dr Mike to come and give resuscitation advice

isle of man · « **Reply #2 on:** May 04, 2011, 06:41:12 PM »

Crank sensor...

Dutch · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2011, 07:39:31 PM »

member Richardoverend had some similar problems some months ago with his 2.7 CRD

Looky here: http://www.birtydastards.com/frm/index.php?topic=15163.msg175012#msg175012

Bulldog67 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 04, 2011, 08:18:03 PM »

no-one can live with the CURATORRRRR

MOCAJ · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2011, 08:22:56 PM »

oh we could, there is a search function

Bulldog67 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2011, 08:49:58 PM »

This is how I imagine Dutch (The Curatorrrrr) comin out of his home office after another heavy night of curating Birtys

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Dutch · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2011, 08:53:08 PM »

Quote from: my other cars a jeep on May 04, 2011, 08:22:56 PM

oh we could, there is a search function

No, not via the search function, I just remembered the thread with Richard who resides just up the road from me .......

Dutch · « **Reply #8 on:** May 04, 2011, 08:55:59 PM »

Quote from: Bulldog67 on May 04, 2011, 08:49:58 PM

This is how I imagine Dutch (The Curatorrrrr) comin out of his home office after another heavy night of curating Birtys

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Damn.....I'll have IOM, Sparky and the whole KY crew camping on me doorstep now.....

MOCAJ · « **Reply #9 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:02:08 PM »

so, can we get this guy any help with his truck

MudSurfer · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:32:22 PM »

Right then - I used the search function, found another thread with Easy Start mentioned as a cure, so went out, found some just where my wife said it was (in the back of her camper van) so gave that a try and.....

it sort of turned over, sounded like a tractor, and died. Tried it again, without ES, nothing....again with ES, turned over, sounded like a tractor - but then died again....

Sounds like the HP fuel pump to me - any suggestions where to get one from ?

Dutch · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:48:31 PM »

First of all you need to know 100% what's wrong. Maybe's will/could cost tons of cash with the risk that the problem is not solved.

That would mean THE Jeep specialist....dealer. I had (what later transpired) a fuel problem with the Mrs. KJ because one data cable
running the fuel supply computermabob had severed. Recovery guy gave it the ES treatment as well, virtually had it running on the stuff,
until it evaporated. If the engined got any fuel at all by its own means it would have pulled through.

My garage does not have the ODBIII scanner with specialized Jeep software but he said....take it to Jeep...hook it up to their computer gear.....get verdict......but DONT let them touch the car (@£90/hr) before talking to me.

Luckily it was an easy and relatively cheap issue to fix.

MudSurfer · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:56:44 PM »

I completely agree mate, but I will need to get it stretchered over to Shrewsbury from home, that's 40 miles on a trailer....

I do need it fixed very soon - and so far, it does point to the HP fuel pump - but I'll take the injectors out and check them in the morning and see if it's any of them leaking first..

Any ideas on a decent way to check the HP pump?

MOCAJ · « **Reply #13 on:** May 04, 2011, 09:58:20 PM »

wait to see what mike p thinks, he usually checks in early morning here

Dutch · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:05:05 PM »

Since Richard pulled one apart, serviced and refitted it, try a PM to him for further info.

MudSurfer · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:20:15 PM »

Quote from: Dutch on May 04, 2011, 10:05:05 PM

Since Richard pulled one apart, serviced and refitted it, try a PM to him for further info.

Good batting, think man...

Bishops Finger · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:49:49 PM »

Shit dude ...not good ...As already stated see what the Doc comes up with...

If ya need it trailering to Salop try SSJ methinks...niggly issues seem to confuse Westbury...

MudSurfer · « **Reply #17 on:** May 05, 2011, 02:10:05 PM »

The story so far - this morning, while juggling work and Stan, I've taken out Injectors one and two (looking from the front) and given them a good clean up, all the gunk off the ends, taken off the copper washers, cleaned behind them and the washers themselves, found some residue on number two that looks like water contamination in the fuel, but can't be too sure. Two was much cleaner than one.

Put some copper grease onto the bolts, and put it all back together before it started to rain. Due to yesterday's fun and games, the RAC guy didn't reconnect the fuel in to the filter - so even if the ES trick would have worked, there was no sodding fuel going in anyway - durr.....

So - while the battery continues to charge, I'll have a coffee, catch up with work email, then take out number three, and give that a clean (four and five and bone dry around the top, whereas one, two and three all had signs of dampness around them...). So - once I've done that, left the bleed cap off and tried to crank it a few times and let it self bleed, I'll see if it works.

Also - does anyone on here know what the small allen screws do that are on the top of each chamber on the HP fuel pump? Are they to bleed the pump?

daggie · « **Reply #18 on:** May 05, 2011, 05:15:36 PM »

I've just seen this

you will need to get it to a jeep/bosch specialist, trust me, you'll be fucking about with it for ages, otherwise

4 & 5 injectors is a half the engine out job

it could be the fuel pressure reg on the rear of the fuel rail, the O-rings go, also a pig to do
it will need electronicaly bleeding and starting by said expert
whilst its there get them to re-seat the injectors

been there done it

MudSurfer · « **Reply #19 on:** May 05, 2011, 06:02:30 PM »

Well, so far - gazebo erected to keep the rain off, and work re-commenced....

Injectors 1, 2 and 3 out - 3 was filthy, rusted at the end - probably due to water in the fuel, and caked in burned, sprayed up fuel, so seems fairly clear that number 3 was the main culprit - all three seals have signs of wear on them too - so it's off to Dr Diesel in Oswestry tomorrow to get some more seals, and then put it all back together and try and start it.....

Hopefully daggie, I won't too many issues - but if I do, I'll get the diesel guy to come down and collect it and get it running....

daggie · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2011, 06:13:49 PM »

thats what I thought too, good luck
ps you're supposed to change the injector bolts too

Bishops Finger · « **Reply #21 on:** May 05, 2011, 10:49:21 PM »

From reading many posts here 2.7CRD fuel supply issues are becoming the new XJ/VM head gasket problem..

daggie · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2011, 10:55:36 PM »

and merc sprinters

MudSurfer · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2011, 11:17:36 PM »

Quote from: daggie on May 05, 2011, 10:55:36 PM

and merc sprinters

They ate only a problem if they have DPD written down the side and the driver can't read numbers if they are in red circles.....

Mike Pavelin · « **Reply #24 on:** May 07, 2011, 11:42:29 AM »

I don't have a huge amount of experience on these. Leaking external seals on the injectors will not cause the problem, just cause a horrible mess and fuel smell when they get bad. Here's the diagnostic procedure for that code..... Symptom List:
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION ACTUATOR STICKING
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION LEAKAGE DETECTED
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION POSITIVE DEVIATION
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION PRESSURE TOO
HIGH-SHUT OFF
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION PRESSURE TOO
LOW
Test Note: All symptoms listed above are diagnosed using the same tests.
The title for the tests will be P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE
MALFUNCTION ACTUATOR STICKING.
When Monitored and Set Condition:
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION ACTUATOR STICKING
When Monitored: With the engine speed above 730 rpm.
Set Condition: The fuel rail pressure sensor indicates fuel pressure above what the ECM
commanded.
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION LEAKAGE DETECTED
When Monitored: With the engine speed above 730 rpm.
Set Condition:
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION POSITIVE DEVIATION
When Monitored: With the engine speed above 730 rpm.
Set Condition: The ECM commands the fuel pressure solenoid and the fuel pressure
sensor indicates a fuel pressure reading less than what is expected by the ECM based on
the ECM command to the fuel pressure solenoid.
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION PRESSURE TOO HIGH-SHUT
OFF
When Monitored: With the engine speed above 730 rpm.
Set Condition: The fuel rail pressure sensor indicates fuel pressure above 21,000 PSI
with the engine off.
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION PRESSURE TOO LOW
When Monitored: With the engine running.
Set Condition: The ECM determines that the fuel rail pressure is too low for a given
engine speed.
172
DRIVEABILITY - DIESEL
POSSIBLE CAUSES
CHECKING FOR OTHER DTC’S
CHECKING THE FUEL PRESSURE
FUEL INJECTOR CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
FUEL PRESSURE SENSOR
FUEL SYSTEM CONTAMINATION
FUEL SYSTEM LEAK
INJECTOR COMMON DRIVER CIRCUIT OPEN
INTERMITTENT CONDITION
TEST ACTION APPLICABILITY
1 WARNING: HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL LINES DELIVER DIESEL FUEL UNDER
EXTREME PRESSURE FROM THE INJECTION PUMP TO THE FUEL
INJECTORS. THIS MAY BE AS HIGH AS 23,200 PSI (1600 BAR). USE
EXTREME CAUTION WHEN INSPECTING FOR HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL
LEAKS.
WARNING: FUEL UNDER THIS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE CAN PENETRATE
SKIN CAUSING PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH. INSPECT FOR
HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL LEAKS WITH A SHEET OF CARDBOARD. WEAR
SAFETY GOGGLES AND ADEQUATE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING WHEN
SERVICING FUEL SYSTEM.
Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt, read the ECM DTCs.
Are there any other DTCs present?
All
Yes ! Refer to symptom list for problems related to the DTC other than
P1130.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
No ! Go To 2
2 NOTE: If the ECM detects and stores a DTC, the ECM also stores the
engine/vehicle operating conditions under which the DTC was set. Some of
these conditions are displayed on the DRB IIIt at the same time the DTC is
displayed.
NOTE: Before erasing stored DTCs, record these conditions. Attempting to
duplicate these conditions may assist when checking for an active DTC.
Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt, erase the ECM DTCs.
NOTE: Driving the vehicle up and down steep hills or rapid cornering with
a low fuel level can cause this DTC to set.
Test drive the vehicle under various load and speed conditions to attempt to duplicate
the fault.
With the DRBIIIt, read the ECM DTCs.
Does the DRBIIIt display this DTC?
All
Yes ! Go To 3
No ! Go To 8
173
DRIVEABILITY - DIESEL
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION ACTUATOR STICKING —
Continued
TEST ACTION APPLICABILITY
3 Turn the ignition off.
WARNING: HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL LINES DELIVER DIESEL FUEL UNDER
EXTREME PRESSURE FROM THE INJECTION PUMP TO THE FUEL
INJECTORS. THIS MAY BE AS HIGH AS 23,200 PSI (1600 BAR). USE
EXTREME CAUTION WHEN INSPECTING FOR HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL
LEAKS.
WARNING: FUEL UNDER THIS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE CAN PENETRATE
SKIN CAUSING PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH. INSPECT FOR
HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL LEAKS WITH A SHEET OF CARDBOARD. WEAR
SAFETY GOGGLES AND ADEQUATE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING WHEN
SERVICING FUEL SYSTEM.
Inspect the entire fuel system for leakage.
Is there any evidence of leakage?
All
Yes ! Repair as necessary in accordance with the Service Information.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
No ! Go To 4
4 NOTE: Mixing any other fuels such as gasoline or kerosine can cause this
DTC to set.
Turn the ignition off.
WARNING: HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL LINES DELIVER DIESEL FUEL UNDER
EXTREME PRESSURE FROM THE INJECTION PUMP TO THE FUEL
INJECTORS. THIS MAY BE AS HIGH AS 23,200 PSI (1600 BAR). USE
EXTREME CAUTION WHEN INSPECTING FOR HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL
LEAKS.
WARNING: FUEL UNDER THIS AMOUNT OF PRESSURE CAN PENETRATE
SKIN CAUSING PERSONAL INJURY OR DEATH. INSPECT FOR
HIGH-PRESSURE FUEL LEAKS WITH A SHEET OF CARDBOARD. WEAR
SAFETY GOGGLES AND ADEQUATE PROTECTIVE CLOTHING WHEN
SERVICING FUEL SYSTEM.
Inspect the fuel system for contamination.
Is the fuel contaminated?
All
Yes ! Repair as necessary in accordance with the Service Information.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
No ! Go To 5
5 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the ECM harness connectors.
Disconnect all of the Fuel Injector harness connectors.
Measure the resistance between ground and each of the Fuel Injector Control
circuits.
Is the resistance below 1000 ohms for any of the measurements?
All
Yes ! Repair the appropriate Fuel Injector Control circuit for a short to
ground.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
No ! Go To 6
174
DRIVEABILITY - DIESEL
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION ACTUATOR STICKING —
Continued
TEST ACTION APPLICABILITY
6 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the ECM harness connectors.
Disconnect all of the Fuel Injector harness connectors.
Measure the resistance of the Common Injector Driver circuit between the ECM
harness connector and each Fuel Injector harness connector.
Is the resistance below 10.0 ohms for each measurement?
All
Yes ! Go To 7
No ! Repair the Injector Common Driver circuit for an open.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
7 Refer to the appropriate Service Information and perform the Fuel Pressure Test.
NOTE: The following is a list of problems that can cause the fuel pressure to
become out of specification: restricted fuel filter or fuel lines, failed fuel
pressure solenoid, air in fuel system, failed fuel sending unit, gelled fuel,
faulty injector.
Is the fuel pressure within specification?
All
Yes ! Replace the Fuel Pressure Sensor in accordance with the Service
Information.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
No ! Repair as necessary in accordance with the Service Information.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
8 WARNING: WHEN THE ENGINE IS OPERATING, DO NOT STAND IN A
DIRECT LINE WITH THE FAN. DO NOT PUT YOUR HANDS NEAR THE
PULLEYS, BELTS OR FAN. DO NOT WEAR LOOSE CLOTHING.
NOTE: The conditions that set the DTC are not present at this time. The
following list may help in identifying the intermittent condition.
With the engine running and at normal operating temperature, monitor the DRB IIIt
parameters related to the DTC while wiggling the wiring harness. Look for parameter
values to change and/or a DTC to set.
Review the DTC When Monitored and Set Conditions. If possible, try to duplicate the
conditions under which the DTC was set.
Refer to any Technical Service Bulletins (TSB) that may apply.
Visually inspect the related wiring harness. Look for any chafed, pierced, pinched, or
partially broken wires.
Visually inspect the related wiring harness connectors. Look for broken, bent, pushed
out, or corroded terminals.
Were any of the above conditions present?
All
Yes ! Repair as necessary.
Perform ROAD TEST VERIFICATION - VER-2.
No ! Test Complete.
175
DRIVEABILITY - DIESEL
P1130-FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION ACTUATOR STICKING —
Continued

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