Topic: Willo's Challenge Truck build "Project T-J" (Read 97996 times)

willo · « **Reply #125 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:46:17 PM »

approach angle shouldn't be a worry being low, as the first thing at the front will be the tyre and now the rear is going back the tyre won't be far off it at the rear, 100-102" is the ideal

isle of man · « **Reply #126 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:49:25 PM »

One has to learn much Jedi!!!

The Mafia only has them on the rear!!

The Buggy has none but the ORI has some ability.

willo · « **Reply #127 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:51:26 PM »

Quote from: isle of man on April 03, 2012, 07:49:25 PM

One has to learn much Jedi!!!

Correct, but if everyday were not a school day, how dull would this world be?

isle of man · « **Reply #128 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:54:11 PM »

As the late Gasser said - it's only more shiet to get in the way!!!!

willo · « **Reply #129 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:56:36 PM »

On call for work, and just had a call out, so better go and earn some pennyage for this ere re build

willo · « **Reply #130 on:** April 03, 2012, 07:58:11 PM »

oh, and single triangulated on the rear, with the fuel tank being re-located in the tub, half in, half out behind the cage, winch batteries I expect on top

big_patrol · « **Reply #131 on:** April 03, 2012, 08:32:02 PM »

Yeah low is the way to go, nut do not sacrifice to much up travel after all when driving over an obxticle you car will pass it much easier if its only flexing a wheel over it and not having to lift the weight of the car. I was out at the weekend at a local site and due to the dry weather the grip was amazing so I started to push the limits of gravity further and further, with lockers in and the low cog I have. I ended up traversing and climbing unused parts of a site that been open for years. I simply would not have got a high motor there. How ever Im jealous of you pushing you axles out as the approach and departure angle are the limit of where I can go. I have plans for the rear but im stumped at the front (stupid steering box).

willo · « **Reply #132 on:** April 03, 2012, 09:03:48 PM »

Our plan is to move the front forwards about 4-5" so that i can still use a tj standard front prop, and as the d300 is shorter than the 231 by about that much that is why the number is as it is. The boys doing the fab seem to think there is enough space to moove the box forwards the same amount, I'll let you know how it goes, like everything the theory is fine what counts is when you come to do it. Wish i had enough dosh for one of those klune 4-1 crawler boxes and some fox/king air shix so i could f off the springs and dampners, but heh we gotta stop somewhere right?

big_patrol · « **Reply #133 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:13:25 PM »

Im watching with interest, the more I do with mine the deeper im getting with it. It was meant to be a soft roader stop gap, but a little thinking outside the wrangler norm has made a very capable motor.

I hope your's kicks ass when its done its time for a Jeep cat amongst the landrover pigeons.

willo · « **Reply #134 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:32:48 PM »

If you can imagine a not so Allegro

Green, and slightly more msa'd version of this with probably not quite as good fab, and bigger winches, then you'd be not far off:

Mild! TJ

At least thats where we are aiming

Its also gonna be interesting to see the relationship between the front fwd axle and the rad!

big_patrol · « **Reply #135 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:51:22 PM »

Yeah I have read that before and its very nice indeed.

dieselj20 · « **Reply #136 on:** April 03, 2012, 11:30:37 PM »

cheap doubler http://www.ebay.com/itm/doubler-crawlbox-NP-231-box4rocks-kit-jeep-Klune-V-/160774046063?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256ee1416f&vxp=mtr

willo · « **Reply #137 on:** April 03, 2012, 11:42:44 PM »

Quote from: dieselj20 on April 03, 2012, 11:30:37 PM

cheap doubler http://www.ebay.com/itm/doubler-crawlbox-NP-231-box4rocks-kit-jeep-Klune-V-/160774046063?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256ee1416f&vxp=mtr

interesting thanks

wildwood · « **Reply #138 on:** April 03, 2012, 11:58:36 PM »

Box for rocks gets a load of good reports but just sticks a 2.73 in front of a 2.73 so you either got 2.73or with both boxes 7.45.....
Klune and 231 gives you 2.73 or 4.0 to 1 or with both 10.92...... Which with a 4 to 1 1st gear and 4.56 axles will give you a crawl ratio of 199.18 instead of a standard TJ of maybe 33 or 40ish

Makes a difference.......

big_patrol · « **Reply #139 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:02:12 AM »

does the above kit increase the transmission length?

willo · « **Reply #140 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:12:55 AM »

I'm guessing and looking at the pics yes, with a 231/231, but with a 231/300 it would bring it back to stock, as per the klune, then i'd have to run a longer front prop or not move the axle forwards.

WW i see where you are coming from except the doubler is a fraction of the cost of the klune, though youd need to supply another 231.

Presumably you would still be able to run the standard hi and lo gearing with the doubler box in place?

big_patrol · « **Reply #141 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:20:37 AM »

so I need a 300 and that kit

willo · « **Reply #142 on:** April 04, 2012, 08:31:23 AM »

Quote from: big_patrol on April 04, 2012, 12:20:37 AM

so I need a 300 and that kit

a flipt 300 and that kit or a kluneV

dieselj20 · « **Reply #143 on:** April 04, 2012, 08:37:59 AM »

[attachment=1]running 4.88 231 300 gives 105 to 1

wildwood · « **Reply #144 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:20:52 AM »

Yup standard hi and lo still usable........

If I was doing it again I'd go Atlas 4 speed or Stak (fluff allowing).......... when I did this only Atlas 2 speed available.... (fluff didn't allow)

Started in 2002 with Dana 300 then got kit to flip then got NV3500 needing a rebuild then klune.... so all happened whilst still using jeep as DD and took ages what with work and house move......

Finally got on road in 2006......... yup painful 4 years of fluff accumulation..........

Worth it tho........... use dana std ratios in mud and slop
4.1 in hard mud and mild rocks
both: 10.92 in heavy big rocks with hand throttle........ cuts down on damage rocking back and clutch abuse

The dana 300 and klune were only a couple of inches longer than 231 by itself.

But all that is lost in the mists of time now I'm at 105.5" wheelbase

bigjeepzj · « **Reply #145 on:** April 04, 2012, 10:49:02 AM »

Me like that kit
got lathe and mill may have a go at making spline shaft

Got Atlas II at the mo the 4 speed came out just months after i go mine

dieselj20 · « **Reply #146 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:06:01 PM »

yep copied the pictures and made my own :icon_sup[attachment=1]

bigjeepzj · « **Reply #147 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:28:02 PM »

what size spline / gear cutter did you use
and is that an output shaft that you turned down
any info would help

willo · « **Reply #148 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:30:56 PM »

I shouldn't have sold the 231

dieselj20 · « **Reply #149 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:36:52 PM »

turned down shaft used a dd machines 30 deg spline cutter

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