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KELTICKNIGHT

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« on: May 04, 2006, 10:54:16 PM »

looking at k&n filter fot kj 2002 diesel 2,5
getting ecu remapped next week
would k&n filter make much of difference
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2006, 10:57:34 PM »

what you getting the re-map for, to reduce turbo lag  :?:

K&N makes a difference on our TJ, interested how all this works out on the Liberty.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2006, 10:59:20 PM »

Yup....

Try

Yates & Bloomfield

www.ybfilters.co.uk
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KELTICKNIGHT

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2006, 11:03:46 PM »

to get rid of flat spot when you pickup speed,also get 28-35 extra bhp,all do the extra bhp not into,more get rid of the flat spot
would it be better to get filter before remapping or does it make any difference
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2006, 11:06:44 PM »

28-35BHP from a K&N panel filter........ :shock: nope
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KELTICKNIGHT

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2006, 11:09:58 PM »

not from k&n filter,from remapping
filter wouldnt give any ,if any ,very little in bhp ,only better mpg and airflow
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2006, 11:24:40 PM »

On a turbo unit, you'll get very little benefit!

Turbos suck air in as they need it... and as the turbo units usually have the same air components as the N/A engines, they have plenty of air flow. only reason to get a K&N or other cleanable filter is to save money when offroading as you'll need to clean it often as well.

EE :twisted:
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KELTICKNIGHT

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2006, 11:38:38 PM »

so remapp only
cheers
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2006, 11:49:19 PM »

turbo,s dont suck air they reburn exaust gasses. superchargers suck air and force it at pressure into the throttle body. i think the k and n will make a small improvement at least.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2006, 11:55:16 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2006, 12:00:42 AM »

I've got a K&N on my VM. At the same time I started to use Shell diesel. One or both of these things took me from 380 to 450 miles per tank. I suspect it's the decent fuel.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2006, 12:06:28 AM »

Shell diseasal in the Paj did the same.... Sainsbury fuel had the opposite effect of making 70 hard to keep on any incline and, with a 90l tank you could not fill it in one go as it frothed too much and the 5min rule on the pumps cut in.

BP Ultimate diseasal is slightly better but the cost is higher too and found it not worth the extra hassle of where our local garage is.

A certain Texaco service station between Paris and Calais sells really crap diesel... Paj was stuck at 60 on the way home... Thought I have knackered the engine or something on it till we put some Shell in this side of the channel and she picked up immediately! This year we made sure we stopped wherever there was a BP or Shell or even Esso at worst.

Nutty car likes shell Optimax too.... Girly hates the nutty car with Optimax...

TJ Loves optimax for performance, but doesn't seem to do a lot for the  MPG :)
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2006, 12:13:22 AM »

i meant dont just suck air... to busy watchin hell raiser. still think it would make improvements in performance. why dont it surprise me that you would use a site called how stuff works :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2006, 12:14:52 AM »

Far better than where I really found out all about turbos and how they work etc.... That remains a secret!
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2006, 12:16:48 AM »

also a good mod to do would be a bigger intercooler.
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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2006, 12:27:28 AM »

Oh yes a nice ally one.... and a good fan on the intercooler too.... And for gods sake, put it in front of the radiator if you must have it down there, yes I have seen twats put it behind the rad "As there was more room" :)

Get the air intake out of the engine bay too....

Course, then you want a mister on the cooler as the water provides a faster cooling medium. Pity that you can't "Mist" the diseasal too.
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KELTICKNIGHT

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« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2006, 08:43:00 AM »

so get  kn filter   with remapping
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2006, 09:45:16 AM »

Nah, get a larger intercooler to cool the pre-charged air. I know Lardy took the P out of the link, but that site is great for explaining how things work in terms suitable for anyone. and when you get to the later pages, they discuss some of the putfalls and returns for mods.

A turbo is a "Forced Air Induction System" the exhaust spins a turbine that in turn runs an air pump on the inlet side.

IMHO I agree with Lardy about the intercooler, but think that a K&N on a turbo is really going to give an insignificant improvement.

Saying that, at least the K&N mod is only ~£40.... Or, if you are not likely to go offroad, I have a K&N cone filter here too that fits sweet on the end of a TJ air tube (I guess the cherry is the same) that I bought before fitting my panel K&N in my N/A 4l. You can have it for £15 + postage (What I paid). And it gives you a lovely induction noise :)

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2006, 10:06:45 AM »

Quote from: "EvilEd"
Nah, get a larger intercooler to cool the pre-charged air. I know Lardy took the P out of the link, but that site is great for explaining how things work in terms suitable for anyone. and when you get to the later pages, they discuss some of the putfalls and returns for mods.

A turbo is a "Forced Air Induction System" the exhaust spins a turbine that in turn runs an air pump on the inlet side.

IMHO I agree with Lardy about the intercooler, but think that a K&N on a turbo is really going to give an insignificant improvement.

Saying that, at least the K&N mod is only ~£40.... Or, if you are not likely to go offroad, I have a K&N cone filter here too that fits sweet on the end of a TJ air tube (I guess the cherry is the same) that I bought before fitting my panel K&N in my N/A 4l. You can have it for £15 + postage (What I paid). And it gives you a lovely induction noise :)

EE :twisted:

will it fit a kj
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2006, 10:10:36 AM »

the "Hole" is 75mm with a HUGE jubilee clip... I guess the TJ tube is ~ 70mm as you had to wind the clip up tight. No idea what the KJ even looks like under the bonnet :S
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2006, 12:59:19 PM »

Quote from: "greggmo"
turbo,s dont suck air they reburn exaust gasses. superchargers suck air and force it at pressure into the throttle body. i think the k and n will make a small improvement at least.


I thought they were powered by exhaust gasses, spinning a turbine,  which pushed more clean cool air in.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2006, 04:54:07 PM »

Basically a turbo is a supercharger which is driven by the waste energy generated by ejecting the exhaust gases from the engine, making it a very efficient way of improving performance. Most turbodiesels use exhaust gas recurculation which recycles some exhahst gas into the inlet in cruising conditions in order to reduce emissions. An intercooler cools the compressed air exiting the turbo before it enters the engine, giving a more dense charge of air, and more power than if it came hot straight out of the turbo.
The 2.5 KJ produces maximum usable power between 2 and 3000 RPM so can be a bit slow on the uptake. The 2.8 KJ has a variable geometry turbo, which eliminated turbo lag by behaving like a small turbo at low engine RPM, and by tilting the angle of the vanes inside, reverting to full capacity at higher speeds.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2006, 07:22:13 PM »

Dr Mike is bang on ( as usual ), had a test drive the other week and that turbo lag is not noticeable in the 2.8. I drive the 2.5 daily.

Not sure if this re-mapping works, if i was you i'd check vey carefully with someone who has had it done.

You don't want to get rid of the lag and then get 10-15 MPG  :?
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2006, 09:42:08 PM »

Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
Basically a turbo is a supercharger which is driven by the waste energy generated by ejecting the exhaust gases from the engine, making it a very efficient way of improving performance. Most turbodiesels use exhaust gas recurculation which recycles some exhahst gas into the inlet in cruising conditions in order to reduce emissions. An intercooler cools the compressed air exiting the turbo before it enters the engine, giving a more dense charge of air, and more power than if it came hot straight out of the turbo.
The 2.5 KJ produces maximum usable power between 2 and 3000 RPM so can be a bit slow on the uptake. The 2.8 KJ has a variable geometry turbo, which eliminated turbo lag by behaving like a small turbo at low engine RPM, and by tilting the angle of the vanes inside, reverting to full capacity at higher speeds.

mike ,your a wis with info,remapping so help flat spot a little
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2006, 09:56:57 PM »

Quote from: "KELTICKNIGHT"
Quote from: "Mike Pavelin"
Basically a turbo is a supercharger which is driven by the waste energy generated by ejecting the exhaust gases from the engine, making it a very efficient way of improving performance. Most turbodiesels use exhaust gas recurculation which recycles some exhahst gas into the inlet in cruising conditions in order to reduce emissions. An intercooler cools the compressed air exiting the turbo before it enters the engine, giving a more dense charge of air, and more power than if it came hot straight out of the turbo.
The 2.5 KJ produces maximum usable power between 2 and 3000 RPM so can be a bit slow on the uptake. The 2.8 KJ has a variable geometry turbo, which eliminated turbo lag by behaving like a small turbo at low engine RPM, and by tilting the angle of the vanes inside, reverting to full capacity at higher speeds.
mike ,your a wis with info,remapping so help flat spot a little

there 3 types of remapping
1 is downing the ecu to give beter mpg
2 is mid remap whick gets rid of flat spot and give better mpg
3 is more power and performance
will be getting the second one
one of the guys got his 2.5 kj done with 2 ,got rid of some of flat spot and not all ,got 30-40 extra miles out of tank,been told these kj 2.5 are designed this for better offroading and going through rough areas
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