Birty Dastards Jeep Club
Tech Forum => Workshop => Topic started by: scrw on February 16, 2011, 01:23:27 PM
-
I have a plan, someone talk me out of this.
Get a set of axles & wheels off a diesel WJ (3.91 diffs, varilok LSDs) chop off the spring mounts & fit leaf spring perches on the 44a, get some 265-75-16 tyres, chuck the lot under an XJ with a 4" lift.
Hey presto an XJ running 32's with front and rear LSDs and a decent-ish rear axle with disks for less cash than a straight regear.
What am I missing? seems too easy :017:
-
Plus you also get the wj steering and brake conversion
Why not use coils on the back
go jeep did his coil conversion
-
tempting but adds to the hassle, but would be easy enough to build a subframe that uses the WJ bottom and A arm.......
-
then again, maybe leaf springs would eb better, his coil Xj ended up like this
(https://birtydastards.com/frm/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgo.jeep-xj.info%2FRollps.jpg&hash=7495ceb2305b5896473c967490a8a52f014673e4)
-
Sounds like a plan. The only (minor) issues to sort would be:
width, WJ axles are wider so: trackbar and steering draglink would need to be WJ or custom and tyre coverage maybe be an issue??
propshafts, I'm guessing the best plan would be to use XJ ones (adjusted to length) and change the pinion yokes on the WJ axles.
handbrake cables (v.v.vminor) lengths will probably be different.
ABS, easiest to just remove it from the XJ but it would be an interesting project to tackle and write-up it you get the WJ axles working with the XJ ABS controller.
It would be a sweet XJ setup with those axles. I would probably go 3" lift and some minor/clever/hidden trimming if necessary.
-
been pondering further.
Downside would be low pinion d30 up front. Might need WJ master cylinder for the brakes, not a massive issue, depends on piston ratios.
ABS, IF the sensors have similar tooth count shouldn't be a issue, maybe just changing the WJ sensor plugs ir fitting the XJ sensors to the WJ axles.
Propshafts, would use the XJ ones, front would be a straight swap over using the XJ front yoke, rear prop may need shortening.
Steering would be custom drag link (may get away with modded WJ one) track bar will be a suck it and see with the WJ one, maybe okay with a 3" lift and the slightly longer WJ link.
Getting a more tempting plan...
-
Do TJ wranglers with D44 rears come with ABS :017:
-
All mine are non ABS
-
Well XJ tone rings are 54 tooth, trying to find the tooth count for a WJ. A bit of googling about found a link back to this same subject but I raised it 2 odd years ago :icon_rolleyes: 3 jeeps later I am thinking about it again :003:
-
Hmmmm, thought naively we had ABS on our 98TJ, would this just operate on the Front then, not the back also ???
-
Later TJs had ABS, Grenville's 2005(?) has ABS and also the 6 speed manual gearbox
-
my 2003 dont have it
-
width, WJ axles are wider so: trackbar and steering draglink would need to be WJ or custom and tyre coverage maybe be an issue??
If i keep the 6.5 backspace stock WJ wheels this shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Fag packet calculation says a WJ axle with stock 6.5BS wheels & 265 rubber is within 1/2" of the track my old XJ had with the xj axle, 4.5BS wheels & 235 rubber, and they went under the arches nicely
-
Think Sarah's gonna take it to work tomorow so have instructed (asked nicely) her to have a look & see what lights up on the dash at start up, ya live & learn :003:
-
SCRW old chap...why dont you stick some 235 75 R15 MT's on it front rear recovery points etc and actually use it to go laning and PnPs...much less hassle and more fun...
-
you have shiney sockets, you just don't get it :hysterical:
-
you have shiney sockets, you just don't get it :hysterical:
I have used OS maps and stuff...get out mon...
-
going OT here but...laning, not interested anymore.....pnp, done the local stuff, will have another bash at em in a few months or so, mean time, one will tinker
-
no buy a cheapee get a mot nail the rear doors shut and trim for 32s or 3s and go play till it dies
-
nope, I can't do that, don't like killing vehicles, goes against the grain
-
:iagree: but xjs are cannon fodder these days there are some good xj builds out there but why chuck cash building an xj when they will be near valueless at the end sorry if that sounds hurtfull to xj lovers
-
I'd rather spend some cash & look after it, same with the Grand, its worth feck all, but I'll keep it going for a fair few years yet. The bits I'd invest in the XJ would easily transplant into a new one anyway.
-
:iagree: but xjs are cannon fodder these days there are some good xj builds out there but why chuck cash building an xj when they will be near valueless at the end sorry if that sounds hurtfull to xj lovers
Must say I agree with Bubba sadly
As for laning Wrighty youve lost interst coz the memory fades...
-
i know it sounded anti xj but it is what i think last year at the break out there was a xj on 35boggers the best built xj i had seen since mick stansfeilds but it ended up broke due to the whole truck flexing and it started to tear the track bar mount of it was a shame as it was a well cool truck it was a lot of time skill and cash to be felled by the unibody nature of the beast
-
You arnt Kev....me thinks XJs' and Ill get flamed for this work best with minimal mods over here...
-
i do think they super on 31s and fairly unstressed
-
One agrees..
-
I think you have to reinforce the unibody 'rails' and crossmembers so much that you almost build a chassis under there for 33"+ tyres to not crack and ruin the body. If you've ever looked at JeepSpeed modification parts you'll know that this is common in the US and all the parts are off the shelf.
I'm with scrw though, laning doesn't have any appeal for me, I'd rather spend the time tinkering with the Jeep getting it ready for a weeks offroading somewhere new - preferably with better weather and flowing vin rouge et biere blond. (Or just playing on rocks at Seven Sisters).
Saying all that in defence of the XJ builder, after being in New Zealand in January I really fancy Toyota's latest 70 series wagon with it's 4.5 V8 turbo diesel and front and rear diff locks from the factory. Plus it's a Toyota and has a chassis. Anyone know the closest market they sell them in??
[attachment=1]
-
An Xj with 32"s, LSD's on both axles and a 3-4" lift is going to do what I want and going this way is going to be not a huge outlay.
axles - £600 the pair
spring hangers - £100
wheels - I have
tyres - need some soon anyway
lift, have all the bits apart from the rear springs which i need anyway £175
& I get a free brake upgrade
If I were to run just 31"s on the stock axles the mpg takes a nose dive & I dont get the LSDs, and regearing & adding LSDs to the stock axles....£1000 in parts alone
-
weren't CJ's cannon fodder ? the A team series sort of confimed this ??
like with any mod if you prepare and fit and take care of the new weak link then there isn't a problem.