Topic: Roll Cage (Read 4015 times)

Delk · « **on:** February 22, 2012, 03:07:17 PM »

After many years I would like to build a new cage for my jeep but I have quite a few questions. Currently I just have the stock rear roll bar with a front hoop added that passes down through the dash where it is tied into the floor with large plates and brackets to the rock sliders.

I would like to keep it simple and not look like Spider Man attacked the Jeep. I also want to keep it inside the jeep and under the top.

From what I can understand and please correct me if I am wrong. If I eventually start to keep in any challenge events it will need to be MSA approved.

Where do I find a set of MSA rules?
Who does the appoval and what does it take?
What material are people using and who is selling it. Mine is 1.75" 4130 tubing
What benders are available in the UK? I would like something similar to a JMR bender if possable.

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Delk · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:09:20 PM »

Before anyone asks the attached picture is not my jeep. I couldn't afford the all the fancy stickers!

isle of man · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:13:41 PM »

Quote from: Delk on February 22, 2012, 03:09:20 PM

Before anyone asks the attached picture is not my jeep. I couldn't afford the all the fancy stickers!

MSA is blue book http://www.msauk.org/custom/asp/home/default.asp

CLICKY PDF

willo · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2012, 03:51:02 PM »

Quote from: isle of man on February 22, 2012, 03:13:41 PM

Quote from: Delk on February 22, 2012, 03:09:20 PM
Before anyone asks the attached picture is not my jeep. I couldn't afford the all the fancy stickers!

MSA is blue book http://www.msauk.org/custom/asp/home/default.asp

CLICKY PDF

IOM is spot on. When i get home , i'll dig out the right section, it could be part k... Mine is 45 mm cds and the tube is purchaseable from ppcages. Or 48 x 3 mm bluband is accepted

Delk · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2012, 04:09:52 PM »

It looks like the printer at work will be busy in the morning.

jeepcj · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2012, 04:45:09 PM »

There is a link to msa rollcage spec here.
http://www.allwheeldriveclub.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=184:msa-roll-cage-update-1032011&catid=47:technical-updates&Itemid=72

I had one of the awdc area reps build my msa cage, this was built for trials so might be a different spec for challenge events

Dodster · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2012, 11:06:07 AM »

One thing I came up against with having the cage internal and one reason I went exo, is that if you have a brace above your head, depending on your height you might keep banging your head on it, especially with a crash helmet..
just a thought..

willo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2012, 06:53:46 PM »

as i thought part k:

http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/bluebooks/11/152-190%20Competitor%20Safety.pdf

Delk · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:30:36 PM »

What about benders and dies? I have just started looking over the rules and it looks as if I will have more then one question!

willo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2012, 08:17:38 PM »

Quote from: Delk on February 23, 2012, 07:30:36 PM

What about benders and dies? I have just started looking over the rules and it looks as if I will have more then one question!

I don't do benders, IOM or someone from the KY

crew might help you with that

Delk · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2012, 07:35:07 AM »

Benders and dykes or benders and dies? Either way it would be an interesting weekend

dtooth · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:55:33 AM »

these are popular with our yanky cousins

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tube-Bender-Pipe-Bender-Pro-Tools-Bender-inc-1-Die-Set-/251000782058?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a70cffcea

wildwood · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2012, 10:41:34 AM »

Got one on the way

JD tube bender £299
Degree handle £21.20
4.5 die for 1 1/4 tube £211.20
6.5 die for 1 3/4 tube £271

Had to sell a few things to get this so hope its worthwhile in the longrun

Warthog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2012, 12:12:06 PM »

Quote from: wildwood on February 25, 2012, 10:41:34 AM

Got one on the way
JD tube bender £299
Degree handle £21.20
4.5 die for 1 1/4 tube £211.20
6.5 die for 1 3/4 tube £271
Had to sell a few things to get this so hope its worthwhile in the longrun

You wont be disapointed...

Would reccomend using this though:

http://www.2020softwaresolutions.com/bt_ez.htm

Makes all your bending a breeze, while slurping your glass of Merlot.

Has several defualt shapes in the program, that'll give you ideas.

CD Tube gives you a workout when bendung manually.

Just as a note; the Protools dies dont fit the the JD2 benders.........I found out the hardway

wildwood · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2012, 12:55:57 PM »

Thanks I'll give the simple one a go..... see how I get on

might end up PM ing you for advice.....

Got my head in the GC this morning

effin door module not what everyone elses prob is like a loose wire oh effin no....... still...... hot wired the window so can keep weather out may just fit switch for window and be done with it....

more to the point tis biking weather

Warthog · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2012, 01:17:23 PM »

Quote from: wildwood on February 25, 2012, 12:55:57 PM

Thanks I'll give the simple one a go..... see how I get on might end up PM ing you for advice.....
more to the point tis biking weather

EZ 3D is all i got, you punch in die details etc and it calculates the bend locations etc. It works well, but take a little bit of get use too. On JJ's cage we probably wasted a couple of sticks of tube.....But with some creativeness, redeemed it for something else

Bikes out awaiting a Battery

....Did i mention before KTM's are a pain

wildwood · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2012, 01:38:54 PM »

EZ 3D seems to be the one, the other simple one is just for stuff in 2d.soon tire of that

Just been trying to find a switch in my junk to hotwire the window as a permanent fix.......

bloody overengineered computer junk....... battery .wire.switch..motor.....tis done.

Just booked with mates harwich- esjberg.... then scandinavian bits...end of June..hope it aint pissing....or we'll head south

right back on me head.......

Warthog · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2012, 08:05:33 PM »

Something you may want to get is a Digital angle finder and a way to secure to the tube. This proved very usefull....Makes angular movement easy.

Sorry for the move away from the original topic direction...

wildwood · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2012, 08:10:38 PM »

Nice one.
I've got a magnetic anglefinder useful for prop angles and stuff but will only sit along tube not acros it...looks like the spend is not over

Warthog · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2012, 08:24:31 PM »

Quote from: wildwood on February 25, 2012, 08:10:38 PM

Nice one.
I've got a magnetic anglefinder useful for prop angles and stuff but will only sit along tube not acros it...looks like the spend is not over

DONT SPEND THIS MUCH...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Baileigh-Industrial-AF-360D-Digital-Angle-Finder-/160649701951?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item256777ea3f

One of these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GemRed-Digital-Angle-Finder-Gauge-Bevel-Box-/120687905972?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item1c198f4cb4

Plus a little creativeness with some boxsection and a nut and bolt to make the bracket, to slide over and secure to tube.

Have a sketch if needed..

bigjeepzj · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:08:43 PM »

this link may be of use
for pipe pipe noching

http://metalgeek.com/static/cope.pcgi

Delk · « **Reply #21 on:** February 29, 2012, 08:18:17 AM »

Ok, I have found the Pro Tools benders in the UK are supplied by Stakesy's.

So the next question, who supplies 4130 tubing in the Uk?

dtooth · « **Reply #22 on:** February 29, 2012, 06:28:40 PM »

http://www.aerocommetals.co.uk/
or
http://www.aeroautometals.com/

quick search found these guys but i sure your local metal suppliers can stir you toward someone

Delk · « **Reply #23 on:** March 01, 2012, 07:38:55 AM »

I found these guys online also, website is a bit rubbish and anything to do with airplanes sounds scary expensive. The local steel people still have not come back to me yet so hopefully I will hear from them soon.

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